origin of EMO
 

then

teh kurtz

I'd say that's about right.

Here's your origin of emo:

yeah!!
these are the fuckers we have to blame.

Bloody emo kids...

The Pumpkins were pretty tasteful about their emoness, though. Well, initially..

I mean, the songs were more like soppy love songs than 'omg i slit my wrists open so my heart can pour out x core' kind of emo.

They had some real emo songs too you know.
Zero was so unbelievably emoXcore.

How so?

Be reminded that I was a hxc pumpkins fan way back when..

come on guys, gish pwned

Aren't these dudes generally considered the daddies of all this nonsense?

I can see Husker Du, in a sense, because they did focus on personal politics more than actual political issues, but I'll never ever call them emo.

The whole term is bullshit. If talking about personal issues is emo, then most bands are.

Yes and that album is great!

I like to consider bands like Swing Kids, Antioch Arrow, and Heroin the founders of the modern 'emo' scene. They did it fantastically but, let's be honest, JP looked like a total scenester back in his Swing Kids days.

Bleh.. Who cares??? I mean, emo doesn't mean anything ... Its just an excuse for "cool" kids to dress up. Its an image. A corporate brand. Most bands, in all genres, write "emotional" songs, music needs emotion and passion to have any sort of lasting resonance.

Well said GrungeMonkey. ALL music is emo if you are basing the shitty term on emotions. Happiness is an emotion. Mindless shit comes from emotion too. It's just a label, a scene for kids to attach to, not unlike the punk scene, or the grunge scene of the 90s, or any other scene, or that ghastly nu-metal thing of the late 90s/early '00s. You look at the kids, or even people older who have huge mohawks and wear their suspenders and shit, they look just as silly as the kid with the huge fringe covering his eyes. It's all fashion. The music then gets dictated by the fashion.

I often wonder how a label is defined.... Like i think it's just all media driven. - Like what was a punk before it was typecast? Was it really anything before it was "punk", something you couldn't buy into?

I have no point really, but you can see what i'm getting at - someone smarter can try and articulate it if they want.

all i know that today's "emo", something that is on the tounges of millions of pubescent teenagers and thousands of pathetic adults
and is almost always used in a negative connotation, is really really pathetic. and sad. mom and dad know "emo" now.

anyone that even has the slightest idea what "emo" originally meant but still use it today are just making themselves look/sound bad.

meh who cares

hardcore will make me explode sooner than later. fucking local kids and bands...

Thanks/word, dude.
How's about we completely eliminate this fucking stupid term from our entire existence.

i'm up for that. haha.

youre right they werent emo and zen arcade isnt an emo album but these six songs are

something i learned today
broken home broken heart
chartered trips
pride
the biggest lie
whatever


no more no less

then bob mould produced that articles of faith album.

first emo band definitely

this is always such aq misconception. take standing by the sea on zen arcade. probably the most emotional song on the album but it isnt emo. its more of a ballad type song if not definitvely a ballad.

comparing Pride on Zen Arcade to Heroin and Mohinder for example:

octave chords

they wont let me edit wikipedia!! :(

Is Michael Bolton emo? Cuz by these guidelines, he technically is.

'How Am I Supposed To Live Without You?' is soooo gutwrenchingly emo...

he uses octave chords?!

rad

hahahha

real emo or what misinformed idiots call emo?

cap'n jazz and sunny day real estate bitches!

Absolutely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdh0Qm_5A0
Love this video

wait so what are you saying about those two

they rule.

Emo appeared in 86 during revolution summer in WDC with Rites of Spring and Embrace. It lasted just about the summer. Then somewhere down the line in the early 90's seriously super lame shit appropriated the expression.

In that case, aren't Swans like Emo with a Masters degree?

i never got into the second disc of cap'n jazz but i'll always love the first one.

i never got into sdr at all but the had a couple ok songs on diary.

im listening to the cherubs right now :)

yay theyre allowing edits on wikipedia emo entry again

No dude, what about Harry Nielsson? (sp?) SO emo. omgzlolzerswtf!