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So essentially this film looks like an extended version of the 1991 year that punk broke antics combined with tupac resurrection style autobiography so im totally down

Im hoping it portrays what initially made us fall in love with Nirvana, just how much FUN they were as a band and how FUN kurt was as a human. The whole "suicide king" narrative is just so off base, a lot of middle school and high school aged kids are really and sincerely into nirvana like a lot of us were at that time, hopefully they can see Kurt from our original perspective. The guy was not emo, not somber, not depressing. The guy was the most fun counter culture hero we've had since hendrix totally subverting the establishment by DESTROYING it from the inside out. Kurt wore a ball gown on Headbangers Ball.. THAT is the kind of so ironic its campy Kurt we need to be reminded of

we need to move out of the 90s were people are thrashing and destroying shit on stage, overdosing themselves with skag and booze and the one guy who also shoots himself in the head becomes a hero who "really meant it".

We have moved on, but Nirvana has become something different than it was so this is as good a time as any to get back to it should be

guh?

will post a torrent link to this movie here when it shows up

At this point another family-run Nirvana documentary can't do no harm with a music culture chronically sick with hyperbole and incapable of getting excited and excitable again. Most people enjoying making interesting music and their fans must be so buried under the weight of this sort of shit that it doesn't bear advertising anymore.

i dont believe in culture anymore

yall still in the 20th century, peons

That's what i meant by hyperbole.

my recollection of first hearing nirvana was how well they articulated angst-- the fun was the release-- a kind of gallows humor, sorta.

george bush was still president. the era of the pc had not yet exploded the stock market and a lot of young people were overeducated & underemployed. cynicism was rampant. linklater's "slackers" is probably the best documentary of that time. and yet still somehow the cheery 80s mentality kept slapping its asscheeks from pure inertia-- look ma, it's desert storm. when nirvana started playing on the radio it was like a collective sense of relief that finally everyone admitted that things were really shit and there was no point pretending otherwise. it was the first nail in reagan's coffin-- of course they've been trying to resurrect that creeper ever since, but it won't work.

yeah but where has all that cynicism and sarcasm gone since the 90s ended? its dissappeared, and the 00s were even worse, iraq 2 killed by rumsfelds corporate buddies cheap electric showers boogaloo was much worse than iraq 1 where you just invaded the pulled out just in time for the revolutionaries waiting for your help to make themselves visible then get slaughtered - it was a kind of willed suicide mission for the us army and a deliberate destruction of iraq for profit which failed and has now created isis.

add to that the fact that real income for the masses has been declining since the 70s and then the great recession -

and what did you get? 00s culture was even more hyper conservative and positive than zombie reagans alzhiemer dementia hallucination/memory of it. in fact positivity and cheeriness became MANDATORY and dissenters are punished as mentally ill and lose their jobs.

so we havent made any progress and the idea of culture is part of the problem.

It's interesting how cities get marketed because of various mentions of buildings, spots, bars, shops etc where iconic bands appeared at one point or another. At the time the Velvet Underground were out and about New York had around probably 1/100 of the bars and cafes it has now. A lot of the ''art'' life was still based on the streets, in parks, and privately rented spaces. In London's case it's probably even more drastic because of the stricter licensing laws of the past and the geography of the city.

no seriously guys

so many political theories rely on this idea of culture and it just doesnt work

theres a reason for that. tim mortons ooo is good at explaining it

I don't think being part of a culture is a choice as such. You can lie down on your bed for years on end and still participate in the prominent culture of your surroundings without being conscious of doing so by simply turning the lights of your room on, watching whatever is on your tv, ipad etc. Cynicism and , I imagine, the consequent sarcasm that may follow, are only tiny indications you have criticism for your own surroundings but they amount to tiny achievements unless you actively divert the course of reality and create another environment for people similar to you to fall into. I can't see how that's not creating a different type of culture, embracing everything that it entails.

noone creates reality

Is that an answer or a question? It sounds like both.

"My argument would be that the expression of self was Cobain’s primary purpose and the form of idolatry was therefore the internal drives and wishes that demanded self-expression uber-alles. "

pretty good summation of what most "culture" is

Clicked on that, read the header and I'm NEVER going to take that shit seriously, so I'm not reading it. Probably written by some douche with a pop culture fixation. Do yourself a favour and stay away from that sort of rubbish.

Thats definitely a big part of it, but think of how facetious so many of their songs are, they weren't always angst filled as much as kind of making fun of things. This was a big part of punk that was NOT part of the metalhead scene that dominated the late 80s.. Nirvana brought back that "we're actually having fun" feeling in punk in bands like descendents.. not taking it all too seriously.

Where there real fun was is their stage presence and media interaction. They were really a band of class clowns and the bigger their unintended celebrity got the more fun they seemed to have making fun of it all! Again, for me the antics from 1991 TheYearThatPunkBroke really defines this aspect of them.

doesnt look like it ended in a lot of fun tho.

2000s aren't all bad, look at the massive shift towards mainstreaming LGBT culture and normalizing it. Look at how overt racism has finally become taboo when in the 90s that kind of trash was perfectly acceptable civil behavior. Look at how much more health and environmentally conscious people are in their daily.routines.. we made some significant gains from what it was in the early 90s..

No, we're not all hyper critical as we were then but that may largely be a result of having worked out a lot of the problems we were all so pissed offabout in 80s and 90s..

Like Kurt said, "this is for all the dinosaurs out there, who will die, and then we'll move into their homes."

Obviously it didn't but should we let 6 really bad months redefine ten really good years? Its like letting the final months of grandparents life dying in ICU define all your memories of them, is that dying person really who your grandparents were and why you love them?

good points brah.

Well, so stop creating thread after thread about Nirvana and prove you haven't lost interest in music with your first joint. Dude.

I make likeone nirvana thread a year if that yo and usually because of some new release or related event.. duh.

Hit me with a pm. I'm offering a 10 year package for real cheap.

noone has to or should do anything genteel says

load up bots

think cobain would like this in a thread about him

i don't remember it as positive-- it was fucking PARANOID. as you recall from deleuze/guattari, paranoids are fascists. then again those people do pretend to be happy.

yes it was a fucking fascist decade, but that had nothing to do with music. terrist terrist terrist nucular terrist terrist nucular nucular weppens terrist terrist terrist = paranoia.


back then bombed out cities still offered a kind of economic refuge but gentrification is now in overdrive. soon after seattle became fashionable people migrated there in troves. plus the microsoft economy made many rich. then portland became fashionable.

yuppies and developers have been buying chunks of detroit in overdrive for years now. "it's so artsyyyyy". not for long... the futue lifestyle centers or whatever the fuck open-space malls are called these days are being parceled out as we speak. i haven't checked this fact but i'd bet money it already offers some kind of (new, boho) "destination" spots.


that may be the insider's view in 20/20 hindsight, but the mass culture didn't see that movie or go to those shows-- it was the video with the sick looking cheerleader and the grim-faced janitor over & over on mtv that got watched in places like idaho or indiana.

nirvana "allowed" (i'll clarify that later)--it allowed rock to be about pain and depression, and opened the door to all manner of earnest bands-- for a while anyway. radiohead were moaning cause i'm a creep. beck singing i'm a loser baby, so why don't you leave me. it's not like nirvana gave people permission to think & feel these things, which have been around forever-- it's more like big business realized there was big money in that sort of broadcast because it resonated with a lot of people.

you're dead on w/ noticing the transition from hair bands-- the bands that were used to force noriega out of the vatican embassy after the invasion of panama. the best encapsulation of that change is that scene in "the wrestler" where he bitches about how music used to be fun and then came nirvana. look up the clip on youtube.

what happened is the mantle of mass culture *finally* was passed from entitled boomers into the hands of jaded gen-xers. it had been long overdue but it did not last long either. gen-xers were small in number and got squeezed at both ends-- boomers values had a long overbearing reign and the obedient milennials woke up early (this is the conservatism of the 00's that nik remarked upon--and the source of the social progress you mention-- supernice milennials-- and milennials are supernice but also compliant-- they don't mind being groped at the airport). also gen-xer cynical youth culture was overridden by the clinton era and soon you had bobos in paradise-- making millions while sitting at a starbucks. so the milennials occupied wall street. hary rama.

im a millenial who wanted to be a gen xer really bad.

think the movie ginger snaps was prob the height of gen x - they have a suicide pact - but in the end the one who goes through the transition to adulthood metaphor is killed by the one who doesnt. after that what else is there to do but splash on day glo paint listen to animal collective and facebook update your way to obsolescence at the hands of your skynet overlords.

say what you want about boomers but we could have used some of that weather underground attitude around 03

every generation sort of wants to be the previous one because that's what they grow up watching. the problem is they can't because the conditions are different.

e.g.-- boomers had free love, but gen xers had aids.

many genxers grew up with boomer fantasies though-- this is the motivation behind a show like californication, which survived 7 seasons on tv. it's supposed gen-xer dude (with hair dye to make him look younger) living out rocknroll fantasies from the 70s. it's pure wish fulfillment.

as for the WU-- yes but they were also middle class kids against the draft. take out the draft and out goes the motivation to *really* fight the war. let the poors do it in a volunteer professional army.

it's true that boomers gave us some kind of revolution though-- flawed as it was. gen-xers gave us better food, better coffee, better wine, and microbrews. as boomers became yuppies, genxers became bobos (those who could). this bobo term was in circulation around the year 2000, coined by a journo-- it has survived in some places but it's mostly forgotten. still i think it was an accurate concept-- the melding of bohemian & bourgeois culture in the rich, the upper middle classes, and their emulators. this is why gentrification is on perpetual fast-forward now, btw-- the affluent crave "authentic" urban experiences instead of fleeing them like they did before.

thats so true about californication.

gen x gave us the net. my hope for millenials is we can keep the net free, open, anonymous and circulate everything the individual needs to survive against a system designed to gut him for profit.

Better beer and coffee thank God because we are surely in their debt as i sip as Jules would say, "that gourmet shit" and have some great IPA waiting in the fridge at home..

milennials turned the net away from anonymity though-- they are the ones who fattened facebook, and the old people followed them. even moot eventually showed his face & name. this as he went on ted to champion anonimity (oh the irony). all of reality happens on twatter now.

but the currents always return-- it's not like forces & ideologies ever go away completely. e.g. "punk" was a boomer minority creation in opposition to rockstars, but became a mainstream thing with genxers. then we had avril lavigne. currents ebb & flow.

i know this sounds like a pathetic consolation prize, but there is some satisfaction in identifying & following some of those currents as they attract your personal interest. maybe some of those currents look big now but will turn to nothing. maybe some look insignificant now & will be huge in the future. it's a bit like the stock market.

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@ suchfriends- fuck the ipa fetish, and all middle class fetishes with that. it's always the same empty promise but enlightenment doesn't come. just endless running of the hedonic treadmill. im buying 30 cans of miller high life for $18 at walmart today.

Oh, if haven't had the double malt theophany you don't know what you're missing, beer as sweet as summer ripe fruit and thick as syrup.