the assholes in Oregon
 

#Irony. A small fringe group siezes Federal government land claiming the government is controlling the land "without fair representation" meanwhile this group is using force of arms to control the land entirely for themselves???

Also PBS reports ZERO visible presence of law enforcement... really?
Really??? Shit i can't go to a fucking CONCERT without seeing at least a dozen highly visible police officers....

If they were black, they'd have tanks n shit blowing that joint up.

^ Yes. And if Muslim, it would be nuclear time.

I will say it's fucked up a federal judge said the two dudes didn't spend enough time imprisoned and sent them back. If they had been black, Al Sharpton would have organized a protest and I'm sure we all would be some degree of livid.

But I don't get the end game. Is the Federal government supposed to say, "Okay. You win. Tell us what you want and we'll do it"?

i thought all these bumpkins were gonna be executed during jade helm? i guess if the feds wont make them feel important enough to stop from turning the gun on themselves or a school they have to make scenes like this. oh well, they'll have the last laugh when the dollar dies and we're all ploughing the grain fields outside their shelters because they had the foresight to buy gold coins from glenn beck. keep on misreadin' that constitution y'all

Yeah but those "dudes" set dangerous fires. Further they have NOTHING to do with what is happening in Oregon and have explicitly condemned it. While i agree its not necessarily "right" to "throw the book" at the Hammonds on the same token you reap what you sow and buy the ticket take the ride. On the block, if you man enough to commit crime you man enough to do your time, its pussy ass whiteboys who always want a free ride. They wanted to challenge Uncle Sam, pay your dues like a man then.

But I don't get the end game. Is the Federal government supposed to say, "Okay. You win. Tell us what you want and we'll do it"?[/quote]



I don't know that they have one. They are a bunch of grossly immature assholes who live on a steady diet of Fox News and Rambo fantasies. And their inspiration is the fuckhead deadbeat from Arizona who wants to graze his cattle for free. Yeah, welfare is bad if you're a black mother but OK if you're a redneck Nazi.

Exactly! Does ANYONE actually believe the government is going to just turn over protected lands because a bunch of pissed off rednecks brandished some guns looking like total assholes on TV? The reality is an overwhelming majority of Americans SUPPORT federal protected lands and tens of millions each year enjoy the access to recreation. My favorite hiking place in all of southern California is in a national forest. If it weren't for the federal protections this forest would literally be a rock quarry like the unprotected land just two miles adjacent. Fuck these rednecks, they are literally blessed to be alive right now and not been killed by law enforcement, and if they keep pushing their luck they may not remain so blessed

Mormon jihadis

The Feds are closing in!

Government are being pussies. Classic white privilege

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I lost track of this situation. didn't one guy die in a shootout already?

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dJnVY_cVnGtKhvMdD4KaPCPfcnzkM&authuser=0&s iidp=935c711e166d8e0925683f6e5610990f911e&ar=14540 17760


"Oregon occupation simmers as few holdouts surrounded by law enforcement"

"Oregon standoff dwindles to 4 holdouts demanding no arrests"

"Oregon standoff: Final holdouts say they just want to go home"


WIMPS! Didn't they say they'd rather die? Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em in the ear! Fuck 'em in the other ear!


This goes even beyond classic white privilege. Look, I haven't watched TV in the last two weeks because I can't pay the cable bill because I've spent all my coins on ROCK , so this argument has most likely been made already, but still: these mooks strike me as basically Teabaggers in action, "taking shit over" rather than just holding defaced portraits of Obama in Joker makeup. And so, the federal government's stance is that they don't want to move in with a full-on forceful eviction because THEN it would look like The Black Muslim Kenyan Socialist Radical President Barack Hussein Obama is clamping down on the opressed white ordinary God-fearing genuine Americans and their super-awesome DIVINE RIGHT to bear arms and shoot people in the face. It's all about FREEDOM, BABY! Word!

How is it not textbook white privilege? Unarmed black kids get shot and or killed by law enforcement literally every single day in America. These armed assholes occupy federal park by force and have been there FOR A FUCKING MONTH?? Cops are saying, "gee willikers guys.. golly do you think maybe soon you might take your guns and you know, if its not too mich trouble, go back home?"

Now I'm not advocating for some Waco shit but seriously..
EVERY black person in America and us n****er loving white sell outs like myself are knowing that if it were not white people they'd all be shot and or killed, period, end of discussion.

The very fact that you are suggesting a black president is afraid to enforce law against an act pf domestic terrorism simply because the perpetrators are white is again another textbook definition of WHITE PRIVILEGE. Only white criminals have such privilege to define their punishment seemingly with impunity. I am not saying you're analysis of the inaction isn't correct, just that its precisely because of WHITE PRIVILEGE that some punk ass whiteboys and rednecks can thwart the Commander and Chief simply because of the optics of politics.

It is indeed a significant federal crime to bring guns onto a federal park let alone to use them to capture a federal building and occupy it for a month. Fuck them. Bunch of pussy ass crybabies.. whiteboys always like to whine when their sense of entitlement is threatened as is the case with these backwoods assholes.

These guys were really full of illusion - did they really think they would be allowed to leave the park and travel at will and then return as they like?

Regardless of their cause, this video does show to me the FBI ran them off the road and then executed Lavoy Fincum - if you go to about 1:40 and turn the off the stupid soundtrack. I'm sure the killer in the woods was in fear of his life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYHdiprw4AA

sorry, tesla, but the aerial video clearly shows finny waving his arms around, reaching into his jacket pocket at least two times where they found a loaded 9mm. He evaded or tried to evade 2 legal stops and then jumped out, waving his arms and at least threatening to pull his gun. I've almost been shot by a cop for much less than that....

this video zoomed in and slo mo to show the happenings really well.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/01...tzing-sot.koin

The rightist boards are saying we need to hear the audio - they say the FBI was telling him to Drop the weapon! and when he tried to comply by taking it out of his pocket they shot him. The FBI had already shot into the car a bunch of times.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but it appears this is really about kicking out the cattle and bringing in the uranium. History has shown there is no atrocity our government will not commit in its quest to control the atom. All those miners who got cancer and all the pregnant women who were experimented on with radiation and the current experiment where the fed response to Fukushima was to simply increase the level of radiation that is considered safe.

http://farmwars.info/?p=14481

let's remember it was this FBI that shot an infant being held by a mother and the killer was promoted. This is the FBI that drugged and then executed Fred Hampton in his sleep. I could go on for a whole day in order to say we really should look at anything the FBI says with healthy skepticism.

They released this video immediately, but the videos of the missile blowing up the Pentagon are still suppressed.

I can't watch this video, I can't update Flash because Adobe apparently is only supporting Win 10, the government surveillance software.

In addition, even one of his fellow redneck shitheads admitted, in recorded comments I heard on NPR, that the idiot was "charging" the agents/cops, not trying to surrender. The idiot's Rambo fantasies killed him.

running 2 roadblocks, almost running over a dumb ass who jumped in front, :eek: speeding, jumping out of his rig, waving your arms around, repeatedly going to an inner pocket? I suppose he could have been looking for his pocket constitution or bible, but that's justifiable homicide.

ha! hey wait, are you talking the first Rambo? When he's a hero vietnam vet drifting on foot home to his dad and gets hassled by the douchebag local cops who bully and assault him and then find themselves fighting for their lives while he blows up the whole town in self defense retribution?

Or that last movie where he's in exile in Burma or something running some decrepit boat service and gets guilt tripped into rescuing some nice people from some evil doers in the jungle?

I can't really the remember the 2 in between, one he went to Afghanistan.

He's really the good guy these movies.

OK, point taken. I wasn't saying white privilege wasn't the essential driving factor; just that the political climate is even worse after the emergence of Teabaggin'.

On a side note, is "punk" a really bad word again? That's kinda cool.


McGyver went to Afghanistan too! I remember that episode! See, it was Rambo and McGyver (and possible Chuck Norris, I'm not positive) who fucked up and armed Osama.

Rambo fantasies was my phrase--deluding himself into thinking he's some kind of swaggering gun toting hero when he's really a stupid asshole.

I think what I'm objecting to is the use of Rambo. Rambo was acting in self defense when persecuted and attacked by the police. You're not describing someone like that. More like Mel Gibson or Will Smith - or does Will Smith still think he's street?


It wasn't my war. You asked me, I didn't ask you. And I did what I had to do to win. But somebody wouldn't let us win. Then I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport. Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer. ... Who are they to protest me? Huh?

Yeah but if you follow the whole of Rambo its actually a war mongering movie. Rambo wasn't drafted he was black ops. Further the movie insisted on that totally bullshit narrative that "if US just hadn't fought with one hand tied behind its back would have 'won' "...

US killed upwards of 4 million people in Vietnam, i think its safe to say they fought with two hands :(

What that is, is code for their inability to use nukes. They really wanted to drop a couple of nukes in Vietnam. The story goes Nixon looked out over the White House lawn and saw a million protestors during a huge march and it impressed him enough so he did not use nukes in Vietnam. I think I heard Daniel Ellsberg tell that story.

some people think First Blood was the source of the story of hippies spitting on returning soldiers - it probably happened in isolated incidents, but not in any organized systematic fashion, as the divisive right wing would like everyone to believe. What did happen in a systematic organized fashion was the brutal oppression against young people in the United States. Rambo would have just been another example of this at the hands of the thug police, but he kicked their ass.

Plus the movie features Chris Mulkey, David Caruso and Michael Talbott (from Miami Vice).

while I'm not particularly sympathetic to the nature preserve takeover, this account of dirty tricks is like something out of the old playbook if true...all the fbi has to do in this situation is block the road and let these guys hang themselves with their own rope...unless I missed something - they haven't left the preserve yet...

Published on Feb 9, 2016
Deb Jordan woke up to a knock on her motel room door this morning and was informed by Gresham, Portland police, that the rental car she had in the parking lot had been reported by enterprise out of Cincinnati as stolen --- When Deb & Pete's attorney, Tom Coan called Enterprise to confirm --- Enterprise told them the devious actions of an FBI agent who is located in central Oregon.

The FBI told Enterprise agents that Pete Santilli had been incarcerated in Multnomah County jail since January 26th and that 2 unauthorized women were driving the rental car leased in Pete Santilli's name. They also told the Enterprise agent that these 2 women were planning a trip to Burns Oregon where there was an active illegal occupation of a wildlife refuge --- and asked for the on-star code so that they could listen to conversations inside the vehicle ---

Deb Jordan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgpXPPiy9f8

I see you have taken the glass half full about Rambo. I totally disagree. Its not about making Rambo look like one of those poor abused Vietnam soldiers even if it does touch on it. Like i said, overall its a Hawkish movie that criticizes not war in general but the Vietnam War in particular but from a Hawkish perspective that the War effort wasn't gnarly enough. Indeed that Rambo was able to kick all that ass was implying that of the military had went all out it could have "won" in Vietnam. The movie aggrandizes war and the warrior, it is essentially Reagan's response to the world instead of Carter's

I'll have to watch it again :)

CBS radio reports the final holdouts are giving up today. The story had to disparage one of the guys: "Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio, sounded increasingly unraveled as he continually yelled, at times hysterically,"

Here's whats weird:
"Throughout the streamed conversation, occupiers mentioned the involvement of the Rev. Franklin Graham, the Christian evangelist son of Billy Graham, CBS Portland affiliate KOIN-TV reports."

Billy Graham, the spooks preacher

Franklin is a racist shit head. His dad likely is (or was, is he dead yet?) but hid it a little better.

Goddammit, this is still going on?

yes #WhitePrivilege

OK, shit's over, apparently:

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...cc73ab9e59c0af

Also, while we were discussing these retrograde shit-for-brains, science took a motherfuckin' massive leap into the future. Whaddayaknow.

https://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl...ned=us&topic=h

The autopsy shows he was shot 3 times in the back. The video shows the "authorities" kept shooting even though no one had ever shot at them. The people in the car are screaming at them to stop and the feds keep shooting. The video is hard to endure with the screeching woman.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...protester-back

I NEVER support police brutality BUT AT THE SAME TIME what the fuck did these assholes EXPECT exactly? What, did they think white privilege alone would save them from harm? Cops kills white people too :(

While too frequently we have a "blame the victim" approach to dealing with police brutality this as cut and dry a scenario of "those assholes poked the bear and had it coming" as was say Waco

This article asserts the driver of the lead car was an FBI undercover who led the group into the death trap.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...uard-an-fbi-ag

so, they denied the old man's release, based on his not following any laws so far and being an armed insurgent. I think he should go to Guantanamo if that's to remain open, might as well put it to a good cause.