Police investigates Sonic Youth?
 

http://idolator.com/tunes/bands-agai...uth-247044.php

NYPD Has A Few Questions About This So-Called "Sonic Youth"

Buried in yesterday's New York Times article about the NYPD spying on protestors before the 2004 Republican National Convention was this passage about the musically minded activist group Bands Against Bush:

In at least some cases, intelligence on what appeared to be lawful activity was shared with police departments in other cities. A police report on an organization of artists called Bands Against Bush noted that the group was planning concerts on Oct. 11, 2003, in New York, Washington, Seattle, San Francisco and Boston. Between musical sets, the report said, there would be political speeches and videos.
"Activists are showing a well-organized network made up of anti-Bush sentiment; the mixing of music and political rhetoric indicates sophisticated organizing skills with a specific agenda," said the report, dated Oct. 9, 2003. "Police departments in above listed areas have been contacted regarding this event."

Bands Against Bush's official site seems to be extinct, but according to this 2003 Rolling Stone piece, artists involved with the organization included Sonic Youth, the Donnas, and Liars; there are no details on just how closely the NYPD examined Bands Against Bush or its supporters, but we can only imagine the reaction when investigators cued up "Teen Age Riot" for the first time.

City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention [NY Times]

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now that's just silly.

They must have been surprised to heard this.
"LOOKING FOR A RIDE TO YOUR SECRET LOCATION
WHERE THE KIDS ARE SETTING UP A FREE-SPEED NATION"

Does Anarchy really work?

A lot of the fucks (including our "government") in our country should consider checking out the Constitution sometime.

i believe in anarchy to wipe the political systems we have to install new ones; the problem is, there's nothing new and no one wants to change anything because the current political systems are doing good for the people who are in them.

so yeah, anarchy is good for what it is, but it's not a permanent solution.

ps: anarcho-punk politics are a joke.

I always laughed at those punks who where Anarchy symbols. I respect their views, but I want to know, what happens when we overthrow our goverment. Like you said everyneurotic it is not a permanent solution. I think that's how corruption begins.

most those guys are co-opted by the left anyway, so their politics are just crap that has been around since the beatnik days without concern that they follow ideals that don't work (besides, most of these punks to the core, are embrassing politics that the hippies also embrassed, shows how much they know).

I used to be left wing, but I realize now I am more moderate than left wing. I think we should not be spending that much money on welfare. Or so forth.

Anarchy is, sadly, not a viable political system because of the human being's tendency towards greed and selfishness. For anarchy to work would require widespread brainwashing.

i was going to specify that.

it also needs a supresant for human nature to work, same for communism/socialism; as long as humans are humans, there's no dice.

un-fucking-believable.

Now I think can understand why Chabib is missing for so long. He might be in the NYPD dungeons right now!

Or maybe he is the NYPD?

hmm, he did look suspicious when i met him.

^See people? We can't be on in the same time.

Now, why would I be replying to my own topic? I have another account but its not this^

you cant really use the word bush and intelligence in the same sentence without using the words lack their of.

the funniest thing is that the USA is spreading democracy all over the world, but it is almost a policestate itself.

How so?

your election system isn't fair. small parties won't get a change to make it to the congres: the minorities of the country aren't being heard.

on the other hand, the things your administration did after 9/11 is what i call over reacting. things like guantanamo bay...
the fact that they are allowed in some way to do all that makes me wonder what remains from the american thoughts of liberty and democracy.

So you think that human beings have an innate 'nature'.

It should be obvious to anyone that looks into history that human nature is conditioned by the environment in which humans operate. A couple of centuries ago it would have been unthinkable (literally) for someone to actually sell their labour and work for a wage.

Anarchism could work - nothing is impossible. Music won't change anything much though. Music is basically just expression - it can change things but usually only rarely and not very much.

Edit: thats not to say its not worth doing.

Dont you mean French thoughts?

hehe, no. the last two presidents just keep talking about freedom and democracy in their speeches.

however, they probarbly got it from the french (trias politica) :D

Hey leave Bill Clinton out of this.

That was pretty funny (albeit unintentionally on your part), EvdWee.

I'd like to see a post on Pericles next for more laughs.

anarchism usually worked ok until the goddamn commies sold them out i.e., Spain, Russia, Mexico)

Commies are pathethic morons. Can't they get it through their heads.

maybe if obama wins he will invite SY & friends to play at the inaugeration, and they could do a blasted cover of the entire set that fleetwood mac played at clinton's innaugeration...

i don't like obama but it's not like we're going to get anyone better in there. he's just as fucked up and corrupt as every other politician underneath the facade.
i have to say, i really like the libertarian party's platform a whole lot, however their representatives are, again, just as bad as everyone else. i don't care what kind of argument you try to make, politicians are shysters.

A lot of the littler parties have superior policies. However, for them to get anywhere near actual government they would have to change those polices - they would basically end up as the Democratic or Republican Party mk. II. Thats why all politicians are shysters.

Power doesn't lie in politicians or political parties or even governments, power lies elsewhere in society, most notably in control of capital. Thats why social change can only happen outside of formal politics.

so it goes.

Libertarians are super right wingers without the racial insecurity...they think a free market will solve every problem...

people are naturally drawn to having some sort of order so anarchy would never ever work with people maybe fishes but not people an the anarchy sign for punks is so fucking cliche

wrong man, the universe thrives from chaos; every single form of mass order man has tried to establish (democracy, christianity, etc.) has been built on an attempt to try to cheat nature and instinct (force man into order by silencing the way of nature/universe/instinct/etc). of course, chaos in nature is always used to establish an order of things.

that said, anarchy doesn't mean chaos. anarchy as a political system means having a more prural, less centric government where there's a whole lot more liberties for individuals, the people who are "ruling" (as it is a council of people instead of a single person or representatives to a large number of citizens) do so by resolving conflicts between people instead of telling them what to do.

anarcho-punks are just commies with mohawks, they believe in a completely different system than real anarchy.