A good rule for people who have a lot of things to say about music
 

Unless you produce it or write about it in a more significant way , as well as breath it, it's useless and ultimately boring to hear over and over again about your views in contexts that don't add up to much, and in fact they are depressing for most of those who love it dearly . Really, do something about your frustrations or shut the fuck up.

you're one of my favorite posters here.

In all my years at sonicyouth.com, I've never heard one single thing from board members that impressed me enough to deem it as any good really. But hey, many bands and artists sounded awful when they first started, so I don't want to discourage anyone outright. I have heard some material that has possible potential.

I have no desire to share the music I make with the bunch here. Nor would there be any point. It would just be one more thing for people to be jealous about and nit-pick and take issue with. Why do you think people disclaim their offerings as "shameless self promotion?" Because it is exactly that. It it works for them, then great. To me, it just seems needy. Collect your efforts and put them onto board compilations. That's really the only way not to look like a jackass. If you do have a band that plays gigs, then you have a right to post about it. If you don't, then don't be a cheese. Just some advice.


BREATHe

hahah.

even when i don't always agree, i see the point in saying what is said amongst the intellectual sonic youth folk on this board.

or maybe i'm DRUNK ON
KALHUA

Robo and sweet, sweet Kahlua might be a good mix.

Well, maybe one day I'll get around to transferring some of the cassette tapes I have to digital and if I do, I might record some stuff to tape and then share it. It's a possibility, but seeing as I'm not set up to share that way, not likely at the moment. It's a low priorty.

Good thing I have very little to say about music.

I think this is one of many reasons my post count has gone down in recent weeks. I don't know that I have felt I had much to add recently, and when I thought about how many times I have said the same things over and over on here it was kind of embarrassing really.

in all honesty, people are free to say whatever they like. being a person alone legitimizes opinions more so then any sort of professionalized experience, if anything professionalization tends to add egocentric bias (myself included) to opinion, and ignorance is truly bliss.... in other words, what do you care if people who you don't view as legitimite voice their opinion?

That's not my point, but BE free to view it as you can.

and you, how can yr music be so fucking spectacular that you feel that there are people who deserve to hear it and people who dont. music is life, and no man controls life, and for you to put any kind of limit on yr music is to doom it too a silent death, like a tree falling in the woods for a lack of more amusing cliches. what the fuck is the point of playing music if not to share it with the world? to give create positive energy through your efforts, and anything else would be self-destruction. if you dont share yr music, then you dont gain any of the energy from other people, and the music only costs you. music is the most free gift a musician can give people, and it should be a gift from the heart. have you ever played a show for people that made them laugh, and dance and sing? if so then you understand the life that is in music, and the blessed gift it is to share it with every ear that can hear, and to play it that much louder for those disabled ears that can only feel rhythmic vibration...... be more optimistic, lack nothing.

"Sold them soul and they can’t see, wo-oh, yeah-ah
Life they chose and no one else
I wish that I could bear them well, wo-oh, wo-oh
If you wish, please wish them well"



by the way

SHAMELESS SELF PROMOTION
LISTEN, PLEASE...
CLICK HERE FOR MUSIC...

http://www.myspace.com/suchfriendsaredangerous

as far as this board goes i find the amount and type of music chat perfectly fine, if you want to read something that will enrage you just have a nose about on this forum www.dissensus.com

Stop it, I wept big fat tears after reading that.

it is a very excellent point kroppy, criticism is not something i find very useful to go indepth unless it's constructive, even then i do rarely if ever myself, i do enjoy boosting new bands and new movements that happen just so people can see it and make up their own minds, but i kind of stopped here cause i know less then everyone else it seems, but boosting is satisfying. i went into overkill starting 4 years ago with Les Georges Leningrad boosting, while the music was not overly remarkable, it was the live show that put me over and i wanted people to get out and see them, and i kept it up all the way until they broke up

as for this forum, but there is a perpetuation of the same ideas and threads a little too often, and while it's mostly blah, whenever lists come up and people ask others to make their own, the asperger's side of me makes feel compelled to keep rethinking the same things and re-evaluating old lists that i made say like a year ago, and how much it has changed, but often i refrain from posting just to stop myself from succumbing to habit

I don't know, SuchFriendsAreDangerous, I've just always been that way. I was the same way about my artwork before it burned up. I'm a real primadonna son of a bitch and no situation is good enough for me. I'm certain there's a good deal of fear there too. Fear of Failure. Fear of Success as well. As many I know constantly advise, it's like I'm waiting for a lightning bolt to hit me to start my life. I think a lot of talented people are dysfunctional in a similar way. To be a significant artist, you pretty much have to be an individual, or somewhat of one, thus you can't stand to join any groups of people. The mere thought of joining some group pf people, even a loosely knit one, even a group of artists, is just the biggest drag.

It has always struck me that the vast majority of musicians are always screaming "Look at me" when most really have no right to even be on a stage. Fuck the self-serving art-polluters. (Well, that was more brutal than I had intended...oh well, fuck it, it's honest.) As I wrote recently, most bands have problems because the vocalist and the lyrics are subpar. I've been approached to be a singer a few times based solely on my looks. I just told them I couldn't sing to get them leave me alone. To have a good band you need a great singer that writes great lyrics. I've never felt confident with my own singing (although I'm not terrible), and I've never felt condifent at all writing lyrics. As David Lowery remarks, "writing rock lyrics is a low art." I just can't do it. Add to these woes my abysmal luck ever finding a drummer. I can drum a little (who can't), but I need a good drummer. Magic happens when I'm playing with a good drummer. When I lived in Athens, any good ones were always committed to their respective bands too much and couldn't give their all.

Something always made me reject the music business for these reasons.
And don't even get me started about the art world. It's probably at least ten times worse.

aside from that fact, have y'all noticed how much more popular this site has become in the past year, how many more lurkers pop up? this information may be continually recycled for those of us lame enough to have been here for years, but there are what seems to be hundreds of new people reading all this shit all the time.... something to think about...

amen

porky, if i were gay i'd date you for talking alone, man.

I on the other hand hang on every word ssiranwrap breathes.

Your enthusiasm for bands that have threads dedicated on here way too often and with little to say about them keeps me posting on here more often than I should. You and Jen should be in charge of any Sonic Yonic or Dinosaur Jr threads for the forseeable future. And thanks again for the Shonen Knife coup.

hahahaha

robo

atari and who ever else might be interested here are some books you guys might like

noise water meat
four musical minimalists
illegal harmonies

on the other point perhaps some people don't have the facility to talk about music in the way some would like, however this does not make their opinions any more or less valid, professioanlism doesn't count for shit unless people are asking for advice, which people do on this board and it is great that others can impart knowledge. on the otherside of the knife it does annoy me when people say stuff is shit when they don't like it, they could just say they don't like it, for example the tool threads, some say tool are shit and boring... now technicially tool are definately not shit but people are allowed to find them boring and not like it.

I'm not sure if your talking about something I probably agree with (which I can't quite quantify) or utter nonsense of the "you don't play music so your opinion about music isn't valid" variety that is trotted out by shit bands that can't take criticism. I'm going to assume the former seeing as you're a sensible chap.

Here from the king's mountain view;
Here from the wild dream come true -
Feast like a sultan, I do,
on treasures and flesh, never few.

But I, I would wish it all away
if I, thought I'd, lose you
just one day

The devil and his had me down,
in love with the dark side I'd found.

Dabbling all the way down.
Up to my neck;
Soon to drown

But you,
changed that all for me,
lifted me up, turned me 'round.
So I
I
I
I
I would
I would
I would
Wish this all away

Prayed like a martyr dusk til dawn
Begged like a hooker all night long
Tempted the devil with my song
And got what I wanted all along

But I
and I would
If I could,
then, I would
Wish it away
Wish it away
Wish it all away
Wanna wish it all away
No cross could hold, sway,
or justify kneeling away my center

So if I could I'd wish it all away,
if I thought tomorrow
would take you away.
You're my peace of mind, my home, my center.
I'm just trying to hold on
one more day

Dim my eyes
Dim my eyes

Dim my eyes, if they should
compromise our fulcrum;
Want and need - if I need it
I might as well be gone

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son

Shine down upon the broken
Shine until the two become one

Shine on forever
Shine on benevolent son

Shine down upon the severed
Shine until the two become one

Divided I'm withering away
Divided I'm withering away

Shine down upon the many
Light our way
Benevolent son

Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
Breathe in union
So, as one, survive
another day in season.

Silence legion, save your poison,
Silence legion stay out of my way!

truth be told, the biggest reason i post any of the work i do or any word about my band is because i'm always fishing for constructive criticism. i AM one of those people out there gigging and constantly playing, and it's super hard to be objective about my own work (unless i'm positive that something's complete crap), so i put it up here every now and then for you meanies to listen to it and let me know what you all think.

and suchfriends, that's a pretty audacious thing of you to say to atari about not being too keen on posting his own stuff. one's personal recordings can be very intimate. respect his mind and stop posting silly lyrics.

Yay, I tend to limit my music related posts to occassions on which I have something relevant (to me, at least) to express. But I actually enjoy also reading those "this is shit, this is the shit, go dino, she can't sing, they're a washed out version of ____ , "xxx" were doing the same things 20 years ago" kinds of posts, but I also kinda hate when there are like 2000s different threads on the same band, with always the same people caring to reply.
So, yeah.

I'm cuter in real life.

I rarely try to express opinions on music on here, because I find it hard to articulate my thoughts, but that doesn't restrict my ability to recognise something that I think is a brilliant piece of music. If I'm recommending music, I'll try to give a brief description and a link, rather than wax lyrical like I want to be a muso journalist.

Like Nefeli, I've developed an internal filter that sees posts by certain people and tells me not to bother reading them. On the other hand, the filter also tells me that there are other people whose posts are almost always interesteing and informative, or, failing that, entertaining, and tells me that I must read anything that they've written.



PS - Nicfit, my sheep could kick your rabbit's arse in the cuteness stakes any day.

What brings you back into sections of this frorum that aren't about Sonic Youth, then? Also, what is wrong about people sharing their music on here? I try to listen to it whenever it's possible, and I appreciate people who want others to hear it, regardless of its quality. In fact, I probably admire those more than others because they're not afraid of criticism coming from complete strangers. Some posters share it on the main forum, others prefer to do it through pm, there's no major difference and it doesn't make your music particularly better or worse. And for as long as it's good tunes, who cares?

solid.

its an internet forum! people can choose to self promote or partake in others self promotion. all valid and worthy points all made but wheres the fun? serious thread.. let others do what they will with their work, if u choose to listen well and good, if not then thats ok too, isnt it?

Good point. Also, what good self-promotion can it be, if one is not even trying to sell their own music? Has it now become a crime to make people listen to what you do and take the criticism like a man? There are obviously certain examples of people who try to thrust it on your ears way too often and never seem to engage themselves on a variety of musical subjects but their own music, sure, but the part of your brain that makes you ignore people or posts will allow you to live a better internet life for you and your own children.

well we're all consumers aren't we . . . just shitbags that watch telly and stuff bad things in our mouths while we observe quality from our shithole that noone gives a shit about. or so modern society suppresses us to believe.
NO! we are all equal and worthy as each other. until we free our minds to think in this way it is impossible for us all to achieve our potential. potential as what? well, as creators! . . . we shouldn't be an audience! . . . we are the actors . . .each of us! . . . we all have individual voices all something new to say and should do this daily for ourselves and for noone else. or if we create and display our creations it should be to inspire others to do the same thing should it not?we are not leeches we are insecure audience somehow attached to a stigma of the current age. we will never be like our gods because we ourselves have made them godlike! . . . we shouldn't be trying to better ourselves or achieve some potential that we sense in someone else. we should be honest and nothing else. there isn't right or wrong in the arts there is just do or don't do and i think it is stifling to the human condition to not do.

yeah, okay i'll shut up now. . . . holds up big shield with my face on it to protect from incoming shitstorm.

Saying "here's a piece of music, what do you think" doesn't have to be self-promotion though, it can just as easily be born of the excitement of having created something, much the same as showing baby photos. The only difference being that no-one ever tells the creator of a baby that it's the ugliest thing ever known to man.

I don't suppose you could do something to make this easier to read could you? My mind can't be bothered with great big blocks of text.

yeah, sorry it does resemble something . .. i.e. rant.

yes! .. . that's a good point that somehow relates. people don't stop making people just because the quality deteriorates. Or because all the best have come and gone. we try regardless. effort. doing is the most important bit.

If you stare at it intensily, there are four holes in farmhouse's post. I stared at it without reading it, and I saw things that weren't there before.

i thank you. besides don't read what's there, read what's not there.

I was wrong, there are five holes on it. Check it again.

there are six holes you dick.