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fuentes 06.17.2007 02:30 PM

Do you believe that the grunge is dead?
 
Later the end of Soundgarden, Layne Staley's death and, of course, Kurt Cobain's death, many people say that the grunge is death, but Pearl Jam are still performing and and mounting multitudinous concerts, what do you think?
 
 

whorefrost 06.17.2007 02:31 PM

grunge died the first time some kid said 'grunge's not dead.'

king_buzzo 06.17.2007 02:34 PM

Ohh god..... I agree with whorefrost.

There is no grunge, it was a shitty term used to describe a shitty scene.

Get over it, start flying, flying is good.

Bicorn Halfelven 06.17.2007 02:37 PM

As long as I listen to my Candlebox CDs all day every day, grunge will never die.

screamingskull 06.17.2007 02:38 PM

i like to listen to grunge music that happened during and before the whole grunge thing became popular. But bands like Nickelback trying to do it now is just sad.

king_buzzo 06.17.2007 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingskull
i like to listen to grunge music that happened during and before the whole grunge thing became popular. But bands like Nickelback trying to do it now is just sad.


Exactly. Like early Mudhoney. From the grunge scene i'd say mudhoney were the best. but their later stuff is much more fun, like Piece of Cake.

Some bands are okay though. I was just listening to nirvana yesterday and my hatchet against them so I think they're pretty cool now. I like krist, krist was cool. plus we speak the same language so yeah hes awesome.

screamingskull 06.17.2007 02:47 PM

i like Nirvana, i like Hole, and Babe's in toyland, and Mudhoney, and Husker Du, and Sound Garden, and Sugar, and the Pixies, and Dinosaur jr. And i'm not afraid to say it.

king_buzzo 06.17.2007 02:51 PM

Hmm, lemme teach you something. Dont dare to call Dinosaur grunge infront of me. Please, its for your own safety...

And i really dont consider Husker Du and Pixies grunge, they certainly were an influence though...

I dislike Hole and all the riot grrrl bands, sorry thats how it is.

fuentes 06.17.2007 02:53 PM

I think that the grunge was and it's one of the best movements that have exist, I still listen to nirvana that is my favurite band.. but I believe that these groups left in a good place the grunge, and before the disappearance of the majority of the group of the four I believe that the people would have to leave this kind as this one today in day: in our memory.

sarramkrop 06.17.2007 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuentes
I think that the grunge was and it's one of the best movements that have exist, I still listen to nirvana that is my favurite band.. but I believe that these groups left in a good place the grunge, and before the disappearance of the majority of the group of the four I believe that the people would have to leave this kind as this one today in day: in our memory.

Ok, but if grunge was the equivalent of everything that memory has to offer, do you not think that the musical movement would have attached itself to the sphere of conventionality that the interest of sad movement could have spawned? Eh?

king_buzzo 06.17.2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuentes
I think that the grunge was and it's one of the best movements that have exist, I still listen to nirvana that is my favurite band.. but I believe that these groups left in a good place the grunge, and before the disappearance of the majority of the group of the four I believe that the people would have to leave this kind as this one today in day: in our memory.


God, yes i get your point, but its been said already around a 1000000 times. So please, its not one of the best genres, its certainly original, but its not like a messiah. okay?

sarramkrop 06.17.2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by king_buzzo
God, yes i get your point, but its been said already around a 1000000 times. So please, its not one of the best genres, its certainly original, but its not like a messiah. okay?

Ok ok, but your point doesn't touch the regression into the formality of soundbites, or does it now?

screamingskull 06.17.2007 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king_buzzo
Hmm, lemme teach you something. Dont dare to call Dinosaur grunge infront of me. Please, its for your own safety...

And i really dont consider Husker Du and Pixies grunge, they certainly were an influence though...

I dislike Hole and all the riot grrrl bands, sorry thats how it is.


If husker du and the pixies are not grunge then what are they?
and Hole came from that whole Riot Grrrl movement but Live through this is most defiantly a grunge album.

fuentes 06.17.2007 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by king_buzzo
God, yes i get your point, but its been said already around a 1000000 times. So please, its not one of the best genres, its certainly original, but its not like a messiah. okay?


Well, it's just my opinion, for my grunge it can have been quite and now it is not, it is possible that Kurt has been a messiah and now only it is a legend, but I repeat you it's just my opinion.

king_buzzo 06.17.2007 03:08 PM

I know, its just yer opinion. but theres no way he could have been a messiah. What did he do? He ruined the little that was left of that scene and brought out emo and hardcore kids who cry and whine.
Quote:

Originally Posted by screamingskull
If husker du and the pixies are not grunge then what are they?
and Hole came from that whole Riot Grrrl movement but Live through this is most defiantly a grunge album.


Dude, come on, you can't possibly call em grunge. You can't actually fit them into one genre, I'd call them both alternative.

GrungeMonkey 06.17.2007 03:33 PM

The thing is... Nirvana... Soundgarden... Pearl Jam... Alice In Chains... All of these bands sound completely different to one another. I don't like calling these bands "grunge". Although I wouldn't know what else to call them. :/

Toilet & Bowels 06.17.2007 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GrungeMonkey
Although I wouldn't know what else to call them. :/


rock

fuentes 06.17.2007 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
rock

rock???:confused: Oh my God!

HECKLER SPRAY 06.17.2007 04:30 PM

I think Mr Cobain would like to rest in peace, could you please leave him alone ?

HECKLER SPRAY 06.17.2007 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
rock

alternative / indie / punk.../ super / hyper / mega rock ?:D

Everyneurotic 06.17.2007 07:49 PM

again, what movement? what genre? rip off things from the past, tune down and be smelly?

i love candlebox though.

Danny Himself 06.17.2007 08:00 PM

All sounds like Foghat to me.

terminal pharmacy 06.17.2007 10:31 PM

"grunge's not dead it just deserves to die when it becomes another stale cartoon" just to paraphrase jello biafra

pbradley 06.17.2007 10:59 PM

There are really people out there that are willing to defend that all this sterile balladeering dude rock is grunge? Nostalgic bastards.

Norma J 06.17.2007 11:17 PM

Buzzo, if your age in your profile is correct then you'd have only been 3 at the height of the Nirvana phenonemon, the time grudge had it's turn at the mainstream.

My point? Considering all this, it's ironic you've made the posts you have and believing they're the gospel and all.

demonrail666 06.18.2007 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fuentes
grunge is death


Tend to agree with this line, whether Fuentes meant it like this or not.

Grunge meant nothing to me at the time and still doesn't, except for a lot of sub-standard bands getting a lot of air-time in the early 90s.

It also had the effect of making metal seem cool, which is never a good thing.

demonrail666 06.18.2007 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swa(y)
whats wrong with metal?

seems we reached a point, probally in the 80s (due to tons of shit metal bands) thats its "cool" to say metal is "uncool".

i hate the term "metal" just cause the words sounds equivalent to being smashed in the temple with a chain, but still...there are tons of good "metal" bands.

black sabbath are all right by me.


I love Sabbath too, but they gave us the uber-pointless Stoner Rock.

thewall91 06.18.2007 06:50 AM

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It also had the effect of making metal seem cool, which is never a good thing.

actually, grunge killed metal, and most metal fans hate it for that fact. when the movement happened, i was a part of it and threw away my poison posters and pretended that i never liked those '80s bands (go ahead, give me your "poison's not metal" comments now). grunge was as angry and depressing as everyone says it was, and now that i'm not a teenager that wants to feel angry and depressed, i'd much rather listen to "nothin' but a good time" than "rape me." i still like both genres, but my shame is gone.

demonrail666 06.18.2007 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thewall91
actually, grunge killed metal, and most metal fans hate it for that fact.


It didn't kill metal, it just rewrote its history.

sarramkrop 06.18.2007 06:56 AM

Grunge didn't kill anything, partly because the metal genre has always been capable of absorbing more influences than the hard rock that came out from indie labels. Also, most metal bands worth a mention never really enjoyed the same amount of success that some of the bands mentioned on this thread have. Metal (in a few of its incarnations) is a much more determined genre than the grunge tag.

Washing Machine 06.18.2007 07:41 AM

I never really think of Grudge. Alterative rock, 90's indie and GenX are the terms that come to mind, all as equally unhelpful.

I think the period itself was important when you think of all the great bands that came out (or were exposed) in that period. I'm utterly fasinated personally with that era of music, possibly because some of my favourite records came out during that periods - Siamese Dream, Spiderland, Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain. I dont believe Grunge is that important. I think its the spirit of the period generally.

Everyneurotic 06.18.2007 08:04 AM

was grunge ever alive?

sellouteater 06.18.2007 09:02 AM

if it werent for grunge you wouldn't have all the annoying teenyboppers like myshelf that got into sonic youth and indie music from nirvana. You would've missed out on all our great perspecitives.

Everyneurotic 06.18.2007 09:06 AM

actually, i didn't get into and hated sonic youth because of the grunge association (i mean, the elitist, pseudo intellectual, nirvana worshipping, spin magazine style grunge/indie).

it took me many years to stop hating sy and take them for their music alone.

sellouteater 06.18.2007 09:20 AM

ok then... if it weren't for grunge you wouldn't have me on this website. at least not yet maybe not for years later. think of everything you would have missed out on.

fuentes 06.18.2007 09:37 AM

What's the matter with the grunge? If you don't like it dont listen it but don't say that the grunge sucks because you can think that the grunge never existed but many people considers it a way to live and the first thing that wen need is the respect, I can say that the metal sucks, the no wave sucks... and so one but the first thing is the respect.
And one thing swa(y) do you really think that nirvana is a PUNK BAND???

sellouteater 06.18.2007 09:38 AM

^ Like Omg Wtf^

sarramkrop 06.18.2007 09:48 AM

Maybe he means that the accomodation of choice for many grungers is under a bridge, just like Cobain.

sellouteater 06.18.2007 09:50 AM

it also means you have to be a herion adicted bisexual and blow yr brains out that would be hardcore grunge lifestyle

gmku 06.18.2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fuentes
Later the end of Soundgarden, Layne Staley's death and, of course, Kurt Cobain's death, many people say that the grunge is death, but Pearl Jam are still performing and and mounting multitudinous concerts, what do you think?
 
 


No, I don't believe it. It's simply unbelievable. Completely unbelievable. In fact, I think it's a lie.


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