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sarramkrop 05.19.2008 07:24 AM

Ha anyone here ever lived in a squat?
 
And if you have, was it a good experience? I never have.

edit: Has anyone.

jon boy 05.19.2008 07:34 AM

never lived in one but i have visited many. they all seem to be kind of the same in many ways. ones in berlin are mainly made up of punker types with the odd one with artists etc. i could never live in one.

Toilet & Bowels 05.19.2008 07:39 AM

i've thought about it, but it seems like too much of a lifestyle

_slavo_ 05.19.2008 07:50 AM

Squat - no thanks.

Toilet & Bowels 05.19.2008 07:55 AM

plus all the people i've met who live in squats look like the only wash their hands once a week, at most, i can't be doing with that.

sarramkrop 05.19.2008 07:59 AM

I know a couple of artists who at times have lived in squats and they always seem clean, still the hygiene thing is what always put me off. No hot water or mod cons would irritate me no end.

jon boy 05.19.2008 08:17 AM

there are some places that were squats and still think they are but pay rent and bills and all that kind of stuff. those places tend to be more hygenic.

Toilet & Bowels 05.19.2008 08:23 AM

how are they squats if they pay rent?

jon boy 05.19.2008 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
how are they squats if they pay rent?


exactly.

MellySingsDoom 05.19.2008 08:32 AM

No, I'm far too fabulous for that, darlings. A mate of mine was telling me about some German squats he visited in the mid-90's, which sound goddamn hellish.

jon boy 05.19.2008 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
No, I'm far too fabulous for that, darlings. A mate of mine was telling me about some German squats he visited in the mid-90's, which sound goddamn hellish.


i went to one in berlin and the way to get into it was climbing through a drain cover and crouching down into a tunnel, essentially a sewer. they had a good ping pong table though.

gmku 05.19.2008 09:03 AM

Never lived in one but do it regularly througout the day for one reason or another.

Rob Instigator 05.19.2008 09:14 AM

Just gone to squats to go hear punk rock shows.
for $2.00 we each ate plate sof the bastiest spaghteeti

jon boy 05.19.2008 09:16 AM

you have seen one band in a squat you have seen them all is my experience.

Rob Instigator 05.19.2008 09:26 AM

you said it! crusty punks play crusty punk

!@#$%! 05.19.2008 09:30 AM

i dont think you can do that in amerikkka

every time i hear about those it's a british thing

here they'd send the swat teams to get you out-- there are no laws that protect squatters that i'm aware of

sarramkrop 05.19.2008 09:35 AM

I've read somewhere of a house in Leyton that has been modernised by the squatters and they live there without paying the rent etc. I still think it's not fair for them not to pay council tax etc. I don't know if it's still on there, but in Kentish Town there used to be a big writing on a wall that said ''800.000 Empty Homes in Britain'' or something along those lines.

jon boy 05.19.2008 09:36 AM

i was in one when it got raided by the police. not a pleasant experience.

mangajunky 05.19.2008 09:45 AM

Lived in one, no.
Stayed in one for about a week, yes.

It was a prerequisite for suburban wanna-be hardcore punks that wanted to think they were a part of the Lower East Side scene. I had fun in the 80's.

!@#$%! 05.19.2008 09:59 AM

well well...

i did a bit of gooling after reading this thread and appartenly one can become a homeowner in cleveland through squatting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatti...tes_of_America

"adverse possession"... i gotta read more about that!

Everyneurotic 05.19.2008 10:05 AM

appearantly there's no more squats in mexico.

there used to in the 90's but you had to have a mohawk to get in, or so i was told.

demonrail666 05.19.2008 10:05 AM

I squatted a council property in Mile End with my girlfriend at the time. This would've been in the late 80s up till about 1995. The council seemed to have no record of it and we were just left to our own devices. Hot water, electricity, the lot. Actually, Melly spent many an evening there and I'm sure he'd tell you that it was a perfectly respectable home - when he wasn't spilling cans of lager over our carpet, that is!:rolleyes:

jon boy 05.19.2008 10:05 AM

in england if you stay in a place for ten years then you legaly own it. 100 rats (a squat in leeds, england) was two months away from becoming the property of the squaters when it was suddenly decided by the owner that he wanted them all out. they had a good party on the last night though.

demonrail666 05.19.2008 10:09 AM

Yeah, that's true. We'd have gotten to keep ours but the flat was being knocked down. I split up with my GF at the time just before this happened, and she ended up with her own council flat out of it.

tesla69 05.19.2008 10:17 AM

most of you don't know, but the struggle is for land.

sarramkrop 05.19.2008 10:19 AM

We do now, tesla69.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 05.19.2008 10:23 AM

dude, what the fuck?

demonrail666 05.19.2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tesla69
most of you don't know, but the struggle is for land.


With respect, the squat movement of the 70s and 80s was one of the most politicised in Britain. Anyone squatting during that time was fully aware of what was at stake, and some of the richest debates about issues such as ownership, land-rights, etc., sprang directly out of it.

MellySingsDoom 05.19.2008 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
Actually, Melly spent many an evening there and I'm sure he'd tell you that it was a perfectly respectable home - when he wasn't spilling cans of lager over our carpet, that is!:rolleyes:


Can't you just forget the past!!! (Actually, I bet Demon can't - I gather he got a serious amount of earache from his ex after I spilled a whole can of Special Brew on their sofa. Man, that stuff stinks, I tell thee). I still fondly remember the biker's pub round the corner, which has a Raleigh Chopper as a central attraction...oh god, I just remembered, do you remember I very nearly broke a double 12-inch techno record that belonged to your ex-GF, that was worth about £100?

demonrail666 05.19.2008 10:38 AM

Haha. Yeah, i do remember that. It was a Carl Craig record. I still wake up with cold sweats thinking about it!

Cantankerous 05.19.2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i dont think you can do that in amerikkka

every time i hear about those it's a british thing

here they'd send the swat teams to get you out-- there are no laws that protect squatters that i'm aware of

there are no laws but yeah you can. people do. i know people who live in one on avenue C.


anyway no i've never lived in one but i have lived in squat-like conditions, to which i say "no thanks"

atari 2600 05.19.2008 11:46 AM

I couch-surfed a few times in my twenties. I remember one day when I had to leave an apartment because my roommate had family coming into town and that I was so tired from a night job that I just went and slept in the woods all day...crazy times. And I ate at many a soup kitchen and utilized many a food bank service in those days.

A couple of Saturday nights ago I was approached by a guy and a girl and their dog. They were wearing camping backpacks and I gave them each a cigarette when they asked. I asked about the packs and they were just telling me about their two campsites with shantys and tents when a patrol car swooped in.

I was detained from leaving the scene for almost thirty harrowing minutes, longer than one might expect it would take, and this drew the attention of curious onlookers. The policeman knew the guy by name. At one point about halfway through, another police vehicle pulled up and two detectives, a male and a female, got out. Although I was free to go in the end, I think they may have went to jail because the guy was noticeably drunk in public and his breath reeked of alcohol. I just left when the officer told me to, so I don't know what happened to them.

demonrail666 05.19.2008 12:40 PM

Squatting is like any kind of living experience. It depends on how you do it, who you do it with and where you do it. I've paid rent to live in a shit hole, with arseholes, in areas I've hated. Equally, have squatted in perfectly fine residences, with good people, in OK areas. A lot of silly people do it for the 'coolness' factor and they tend to be the ones that never wash up, develop an unreasonable liking for dub reggae and an unfathomable taste for pot noodle. They also tend to be the ones that, the minute things become difficult, run straight back to their parents in the 'burbs.

I imagine it's just as difficult now to squat in the UK as Atari's anecdote above suggests it is in the US. Saying that, I'm strictly a rent paying pillar of society now, so I wouldn't know for sure. Good memories of when I did it though. Although It did leave me with a lifelong aversion to Lee Perry records, I have to say.

EMMAh 05.19.2008 12:41 PM

I have heard that somewhere in Europe (I forget where, because that's what I do) you can squat in a place as long as you have a chair, a bed and a table in there. Obviously the people who own the building you're living in can't care either, and the building had to be unoccupied for a year.
I've heard in Canada that a building must me unoccupied for five years, but I don't know if this is true.

I have never squatted, but I would do it, for sure. I wouldn't really care how dirty I was.

demonrail666 05.19.2008 12:43 PM

In Britain, at least when I was squatting, there were as many loopholes as there were rules. The main one was the property had to be unoccupied (why anyone would try squatting an occupied house always baffled me) and there had to be no signs of actually breaking in to enter the property.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 05.19.2008 12:44 PM

I could never live in a squat

demonrail666 05.19.2008 12:51 PM

I don't think a lot of people could. Unfortunately, the people who say they couldn't are usually those that'd be quite good at at. It's those that somehow aspire to it that are the problem. And, incase that sounds all to vague, i'm paying you a compliment there, Cryptowonderdruginvogue.

sarramkrop 05.19.2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptowonderdruginvogue
I could never live in a squat


Think about it, crypto, you and your bitches all smeared with poo having a squat bling party. Just kidding.

cryptowonderdruginvogue 05.19.2008 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Think about it, crypto, you and your bitches all smeared with poo having a squat bling party. Just kidding.


I thought those were called scat bling parties

demonrail666 05.19.2008 01:04 PM

 



The police raid on the St Agnes Squat in Kennington in around 2002 and it's resulting closure marked a real sea-change of attitude by the authorities.


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