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MellySingsDoom 06.07.2009 05:43 PM

Britishfascist party wins seat in European election
 
I've just heard on the radio that the fascist British National Party have just won a seat in the European Parliament (for the Yorkshire & Humber region). It looks as if they may win another seat in the North West too.

As some of us people here have voted in the Euro elections, what do you think - something to be worried about, a relative storm in a teacup, or an utter irrelevance?

HaydenAsche 06.07.2009 05:48 PM

I say long live suffering and fascism.

Danny Himself 06.07.2009 05:51 PM

I forgot to vote. You can blame me if they win a seat in the North West.

MellySingsDoom 06.07.2009 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
I say long live suffering and fascism.


Or as Boyd Rice would say, "Bring on the Total War and don't skimp on the martinis".

As for the BNP business, the very thought of Nick Griffin's putrid smug face gurning away in "triumph" makes me want to heave. Having said that, the person in question did get voted democratically, and with any luck, they'll be challenged head-on about their views and beliefs in a public environment, which is the way to take on the BNP and the other European fascist parties.

max 06.07.2009 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaydenAsche
I say long live suffering and fascism.


that's not even remotely funny as you thought it out in your head, where this garbage should've stayed.

demonrail666 06.07.2009 06:06 PM

In real terms it's a bit of a storm in a tea-cup I suppose, but it'll be taken as a sign of support by the BNP and their supporters - which I suppose it is.

I won't lose sleep over it but at the same time it is depressing. Although I'm not that surprised to be honest.

max 06.07.2009 06:09 PM

yeah, I'm not surprised either. Berlusconi's scum won again, even with worldwide news exposing him as a pedophile mafiaman motherfucker. when the economy goes down, the right wing gains strenght.

and then someone will end upside down, hopefully.

demonrail666 06.07.2009 06:12 PM

it's ironic that the people most likely to be affected by a recession are most likely to vote for parties that most support the policies that cause them.

Danny Himself 06.07.2009 06:13 PM

This BNP result is just a sign of the disillusionment most people here have with the main three parties though isn't it? Nothing more. It's not going to get much worse. It's just that conservatives are all wankers, labour are all incompetent and the lib dems haven't been relevant since 1924. The BNP has presented itself as a visible 'fourth party' in this election where maybe the SWP or Green Party should have.. but meh, I'm not worried at all. This is a flash in the pan for racist scum.

Lamont Cranston 06.07.2009 07:32 PM

fascist in terms of economic and industrial and labour policies, or fascist in terms of jackboots and thugs and whatnot?

demonrail666 06.07.2009 08:51 PM

in the case of the bnp mostly the latter

max 06.08.2009 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
it's ironic that the people most likely to be affected by a recession are most likely to vote for parties that most support the policies that cause them.


100% true (sadly).

Lamont Cranston 06.08.2009 01:46 AM

yeah thats the marketing of campaigns

_slavo_ 06.08.2009 02:11 AM

The Hungarian ultra right-wing party called Jobbik won 2 seats in the European Parliament !!!

Now what's wrong with the world we live in?

Tokolosh 06.08.2009 02:59 AM

The Netherlands seems to be following the same right-wing trends that are sweeping across Europe.
The progressive views we once had are going for a ball of shit. People are retarded.

_slavo_ 06.08.2009 03:28 AM

There is one right-wing party in Slovakia too, that gained one seat in European Parliament, too.

It's called SNS (= Slovak National Party) and its leader, a drunkard twat called Jan Slota, is infamous for his drunken hatred ramblings against Hungary and its people. And this party is a part of our government coalition.

Fuck that shit, look at this man.

 

ZEROpumpkins 06.08.2009 04:09 AM

Why the fuck would people vote them? Really.

_slavo_ 06.08.2009 04:19 AM

Because, you know, in the times of recession, mutual hatred can be unifying for some sorts of people.

Keeping It Simple 06.08.2009 06:28 AM

Isn't it the venal, Marxist-Leninist left who is responsible for this sorry state of affairs?

demonrail666 06.08.2009 07:33 AM

no.

jon boy 06.08.2009 11:49 AM

seems the whole of europe has taken a giant step to the right with lots of right wing parties gaining seats. i hope that its just a blip and not a more permanent thing. whebn the bnp have gotten into power in certain councils they never last because theyre whole rhetoric is based on racist ideals and they actually have no idea about running a council. plus not many people want to deal with them so they get kicked out.

floatingslowly 06.08.2009 11:54 AM

it's hard to argue with the fascist mentality.

the stupid masses need to have someone telling them what to do.

Keeping It Simple 06.08.2009 01:29 PM

The Labour Party have only themselves to blame for their meltdown.

Theremin 06.08.2009 01:30 PM

The hausse of Eurosceptic parties is probably the most worrying trend, this is a time we should be cooperating between countries more than ever. Simplistic nationalist solutions won't get us through this crisis, though the irony is of course that people tend to vote for those false securities during times of economic depression.
Btw, the extreme right wing (racist) party actually lost the elections for the first time in about 20 years in Belgium (Flanders) yesterday. Joy. Too bad the votes went to other (moderate) conservative, anti-Walloon parties.

Glice 06.08.2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
This BNP result is just a sign of the disillusionment most people here have with the main three parties though isn't it? Nothing more. It's not going to get much worse. It's just that conservatives are all wankers, labour are all incompetent and the lib dems haven't been relevant since 1924. The BNP has presented itself as a visible 'fourth party' in this election where maybe the SWP or Green Party should have.. but meh, I'm not worried at all. This is a flash in the pan for racist scum.


What concerns me isn't that the BNP got 2 (two) seats but that the fucking Tories cunted Labour. I'm not Labourite, but if that fucking Etonite cunt gets in the whole country needs a fucking good twatting.

Which is to say - of course, I'll happily join in with the hand-wringing 'oh, it's terrible that the nasty, disollusioned, money-magicking racists got in', but let's be honest, if they had anything approximating a majority and you'd have some sort of revolution on your hands. And, let's be honest, the British are appaling at revolt.

I think Danny's right to say it's a sign of disollusionment, but I also think it's potentially a sign of change, which is what we need. The Greens made big incursions, and so did UKIP. Two parties I actually consider more dangerous than the BNP in practise because they're not run by incompetent fuckwits.


What I'd like to see is this Euro result (and the locals for those who had locals) galvanise the decent-thinking country into going 'anything but that fucking cunt Cameron' come Brown's inevitable 'lie back and think of Major'.

jon boy 06.08.2009 01:56 PM

camerons got such a smug face he makes me angrier than geoff hoon. that takes some doing i can tell you. i think its inevitable that the tories are going to trounce labour at the next election and i am by no means a conservative supporter either but i really dont want them in. why do the lib dems always seem to just fall by the way side?

Glice 06.08.2009 02:01 PM

I'm almost tempted to start getting politically active with the Lib Dems in time for the next election. Anything so there's some sort of competition for Cuntface.

SonicBebs 06.08.2009 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MellySingsDoom
they'll be challenged head-on about their views and beliefs in a public environment, which is the way to take on the BNP and the other European fascist parties.


trouble is, thats been the idea for a lng time, and look where it got us. We've unforgivably given the cunts 2 seats in Europe to represent us, and by the looks of it a number of other countries have done the same.
And the twats will all support each other too...

we're gonna need a bigger boat

jon boy 06.08.2009 02:11 PM

with the way labour are right now, plus the cons obviulsy going to win the next election how long do you think they are going to stay in power for? it could be quite sometime i fear.

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glice
I think Danny's right to say it's a sign of disollusionment, but I also think it's potentially a sign of change, which is what we need. The Greens made big incursions, and so did UKIP. Two parties I actually consider more dangerous than the BNP in practise because they're not run by incompetent fuckwits.


I like the idea of Labour becoming the sort of backseat party the Liberals became in the 20s and fading away, they've both long outlived their usefulness. Conservatives are same-old, same-old, and their sort of politics will never go away. The problem for Liberals and Labour now is they don't stand for shit. Labour haven't even adopted any decent super-cool Keynesian economic strategies to dig us out of this recession like FDR or Hitler did.

We need a new main anti-conservative opposition party that can just come along, say 'fuck this, i've got a load of boss ideas', and inspire people to get some hard work done and to have some faith in government for once. This is why I brought up FDR and Hitler earlier. They're the only two leaders I can think of that actually won anyones 'can do' imagination in the great depression and pulled their countries properly out of the mire.

I'm rambling now but yeah, fuck everything. Eat the rich and televise it

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jon boy
with the way labour are right now, plus the cons obviulsy going to win the next election how long do you think they are going to stay in power for? it could be quite sometime i fear.


Problem with Conservatives is when they get in, they get in. Consider their domination of the inter-war years and 1979-97, et cetera. They're a big, smug, lumbering blob threatening to ooze their smarmy, patronising middle-england lies all over the country. Ugh. I can just picture Piers Morgan's smug, perpetually-wanking face looming over the planet as Cameron enjoys a ticker-tape parade of orphan's death certificates, riding a pensioner into Downing Street

jon boy 06.08.2009 02:34 PM

the undoing of the cons is always europe though. mention that and they seem to split like tight trousers on oliver letwin. but having said that london does have captain blonde in power and if thats not an example of insanity in the polling booths then i dont know what is.

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 02:39 PM

I actually really like Boris Johnson. He just doesn't give a shit, which is rare in politics. He's not trying to please anybody, he's just uncompromisingly himself. I at least admire him as a person anyway, his history documentaries are fantastically great, his books are full of that rare substance known as honesty and his hair is a laugh, for a politician. Oh Boris.

 


Haha what a fucking nutter. I don't know if I'd want him running the country or anything but I'd like to have a drink with him and talk about history

jon boy 06.08.2009 02:43 PM

the history of liverpool?

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 02:47 PM

Ooooh controversial! Except that he was almost completely spot on, just bad timing what with all that beheading and whatnot

jon boy 06.08.2009 02:50 PM

i actually only vaguely remember that whole thing. i know he had to apologise ad then got locked out of his house infront of the worlds media. his appearances on have i got news for you where hilarious. oh boris.

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 03:05 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFRgIb8mAQ

His infamous 'ping pong speech', what a legend


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFct9z_xYGQ

Talking about how much he hates eggs

the ikara cult 06.08.2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Himself
I actually really like Boris Johnson. He just doesn't give a shit, which is rare in politics. He's not trying to please anybody, he's just uncompromisingly himself. I at least admire him as a person anyway, his history documentaries are fantastically great, his books are full of that rare substance known as honesty and his hair is a laugh, for a politician. Oh Boris.


 


Haha what a fucking nutter. I don't know if I'd want him running the country or anything but I'd like to have a drink with him and talk about history


Thats alright for you up in Scouseland. If he decides to replace all the roads with canals and all the roads with canals then im sailing to work tomorrow.

And in any case, he thinks youre a whining sentimentalist doesnt he?

Danny Himself 06.08.2009 03:41 PM

You clearly can't believe that he's that much of a buffoon. Also, no, he doesn't.

the ikara cult 06.08.2009 03:52 PM

I find him as entertaining as the next person, but the fact he's in charge of so many things that affect me and my parents causes me alot of worry, mainly because he's the ultimate Tory insider and when they win the next election its going to much easier for him to let everything below Islington turn into a cesspool (not that New LAbour havent, but i thought Ken Livingstone was moving stuff in the right direction).

On the whining sentimentalist thing, in case you didnt know;


On 16 October 2004, The Spectator carried an unsigned editorial[84] comment criticising a perceived trend to mawkish sentimentality by the public. Using British hostage Kenneth Bigley as an example, the editorial claimed the inhabitants of Bigley's home city of Liverpool were wallowing in a "vicarious victimhood"; that many Liverpudlians had a "deeply unattractive psyche"; and that they refused to accept responsibility for "drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground" during the Hillsborough disaster, a contention at odds with the findings of the Taylor Report. The editorial closed with: "In our maturity as a civilisation, we should accept that we can cut out the cancer of ignorant sentimentality without diminishing, as in this case, our utter disgust at a foul and barbaric act of murder."

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