A few questions about death
 

Do you think suicide is painless? Obviously, burning yourself alive will be painful. But does anyone think the actual act of suicide... self-inflicted death... will cause pain?


Also, what do you think happens when you die? I am kinda at a point where I believe in reincarnation... I'm going to die and be reborn as something else with no prior knowledge of this life...

Ultimately, I think spirituality in general is probably too confusing of a topic for the modern mind to comprehend. I am curious about your opinions, though, and I apologize if there's been a thread(s) about this, but it was hard to search for.

i don't know how it feels to die, so i can' answer that first question. some ways of killing yourself might be pretty painless, like asphyxiating yourself so you just doze off in a sleep and don't wake up..

i don't know what happens when we die and no one has given any conclusive evidence to prove any theory, so i just ty to live my life accepting that it will end someday, and that this is my only chance at it.

1. It can be. Depends on your method.

2. I believe in spirits, and that the body is a mere shell. I don't believe in
Heaven or Hell, merely non-corporeal forms that continue to impact
the people they left behind in what the living recognize as their "world".

There is more to my belief than simply wanting to believe it, but that's
all I really care to go into on forum with people I don't really know.

i could think people who believe there's 'nothing' or 'something' after life are wrong, since 'nothing' and 'something(whatever that something is)' are both human concepts, and once our brain dies there are no more human concepts.

so that's what i think the afterlife is like... unexplainable and incomprehensible. it's ourselves, but with no body and no brain..
imagine you loose everything you physically are. all of your senses and perceptions and all the concepts and thoughts you got by using them in the life experience.

arghh

Sounds like death is an acid trip. Cool!

I was thinking the same.. but acid trips are more like all of our perceptions all mixed and confused.. death is more like no senses or perceptions at all.. meh, thats what I think..

The indians of this continent developed a very articulate cosmology to describe the illusion of death where the physical dimension itself is simply a product of your spiritual imagination, and therefore death is simply transcending the limitations of this particular dimension, and experiencing the eternity of the universe, the infinity of pure energy. I believe that the multi-verse explained by string theory will eventually become the western equivalent to the mystical realms of ancient christianity and of the meso-americans..

e=mc2 all matter is merely condensed energy, pure energy, and the atom bomb was the proof. essentially the atom bomb proved the existence of the spirit when it proved that all matter is condensed energy. The body is the condensation of the soul (in the Orthodox christian liturgy there is a prayer which thanks Jesus for "condensing in the flesh in the womb of Mary"), like ice is solid water, the body is the solid soul. When the body dies, it is simply the soul changing phase, like ice melting to water, or water evaporating to a gas, or a gas speeding up to a plasma, at death the soul converts from matter to energy, and energy is eternal, which can never be destroyed, proving what Jesus said, "There are those amongst you who shall by no means be tasting death for the eon!"



of course, I could just be like Paul , "as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much scripture doth make thee mad!"

I believe we are all results of recycled energy so in a sense reincarnation is possible, though unlikely.

How are "unexplainable" and "incomprehensible" not human concepts while "nothing" and "something" are? In fact, I have a hard time understanding how you distinguish "nothing" from "incomprehensible" and "unexplainable."

I believe there is no metaphysically significant distinction between the animate and the inanimate. Death only concerns the living.

"Spirit" is a bit of an obsolete word i think, "Personality" is fairer and less subject to superstitious gobbledygook. As far as what happens when we die, the number of possible permutations that could occur to our minds and bodies after that point are beyond the comprehension of any person. I have to say i disconnect with people a bit when they tell me they believe any of this sort of thing, its often the false humility that sends me round the bend; at least sound like youre CERTAIN about it, that way we at least know where we stand. And if you aint, then consider your bets hedged, and the lord hates an intellectual coward (or the Lord SHOULD, given that its not for me to say)

I certainly hope suicide isnt painless, but i can imagine the psychological scenario in the lead up to the act would act as something of a painkiller as well as a motivation to beat whatever pain there may be.

Boy im in a mood.

Oh, in all honesty, I want to blow the brains out the back of my skull, I'm not going to lie about it.

Apparently after having your head chopped off, you still have brain function for 10-15 seconds. So I'd imagine you feel pain. I think "quick and painless death" might be a bit of a myth.

I think we have immortal souls.

read my post from 'it's ourselves' to 'experience' thats me trying to explain the afterlife which i said is unexplainable and incomprehensible which are human concepts that do not apply for the afterlife because we are not human once we die. you cant explain the afterlife using human concepts then. then the afterlife is unexplainable. but unexplainable is a human concept. and once we die we are not human anymore. so the afterlife is...

and now that's what i tried to say.

1. i don't know, i've never killed myself..... but if i did i would OD, which is painless

2. i don't know, it's not something i really give any thought to. i'll let you know when i die.

the fact of the matter is that no one knows, so i can't really understand why people get into heavy arguments about it. everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions and i don't have any.

The theme to M*A*S*H has been running through my head since I read the first sentence of the OP...

Ditto

okay let me clarify...

i would overdose on heroin because it's painless.

that sucks btw. i'm glad he's alright.

I think when you die you just sort of float around for a while. Maybe visit people, see how they're doing. And then I think you just sort of become extinguished. Only you never are fully extinguished. In a way there's always a part of you that goes on...

Yes, but the massive loss of blood pressure will probably knock you out in a second.

I'm having hard time believing in anything that is "post-life" as it seems bit ridiculous. The whole idea probably emerges from peoples unwillingness to admit the chance that were just mere biological machines that stop working at some point.

There's certainly a cyclicality in everything but there's nothing metaphysical to it.

I don't think suicide is painless, unless it's an instant death (or maybe the pain could somehow lasts longer?).
As for when you die, I kind of think there's nothing, but this is hard to imagine - like, before you were born, you didn't exist, but you can't really imagine not existing. Reincarnation is something I've thought of before, but I don't know what to write.

Do you think he felt pain?

i'm pretty sure that when you die she comes for you and guides you to where you're going. i'm looking forward to it myself.

In my opinion the quicker you die, the more painful it is, but it's only for a shorter time. Inversely, the slower you die, the less painful it is, but it is painful for a longer period of time before death.

Also after you die, body rots in ground. Your mind just shuts off, as if you were never alive in the first place.

well, I don't really know what to think about killing yourself by shooting yourself into your head/mouth. someone (sway?) said it would be really painless and brief, but i'm not really sure. I mean, it must be fucking INCREDIBLY painful, and I don't really believe you'd be dead within a milisecond, would you? i still think it takes a couple of seconds before you die.

I agree. Shooting yourself would indeed be incredibly painful. I would know, one time I turned a shotgun to my face, hurt like a bitch.

if I kill myself, I'm going to take a shitload of sleeping pills and wrap myself up in a blanket in a running car. Drive run into the garage about 20 minutes after taking the pills. Let the carbon monoxide vapours fill my lungs. That should do the trick.

Fuck that. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....=manly_suicide

This is the best thing I've ever read.

Headbutting is probably the manliest thing ever. Not only is it useful for suicide, it's also a great way to break up with your girlfriend. For example, I couldn't find the words to tell my ex that our relationship was over, so one day while we were watching TV I headbutt her in the tits. Then I picked up my jacket and left. No awkward goodbyes, no "still friends" bullshit. Just a couple of bruised titties and a failed relationship. I rule.

who cares if it hurts?

suicide's for fucking pussies.

I have very little sympathy for this highly selfish, and all-too-emo act.

I feel we get one go round.

make the best of it.
or make the worst of it

you have to live with your decisions.

and when you die... well, life woudl be pretty pointless if death was just more life....

do you eat, or say, use fertilizer?

I do!

creation feeds upon entropy, and vice versa.

I have no reason to believe that the metaphysical world doesn't mimic the physical one.

the highly selfish suicide is only one of the different kinds of suicide. even if the asshole doing it only wants to catch attention, this person is dealing with putting an end to his/her own existance.. it sounds more like a serious mental problem/disorder more than some emo act.. :P

i have this notion that heaven is a complete aural/visual experience made strange by the fact that we won't have bodies. just spirit viscera floating in this ocean of unbelievably bright shifting spectrum, enveloped in sound.

fuck sound and light. I want 99 horny virgins.

that's exactly my point.

I have no reason to believ there is a metaphysical world at all.