Cameron can't be all bad...
 

If he appologized for Bloody Sunday.

I don't know anything about him--haven't been following what's going on across the pond but that seems good.

He didn't have any choice after the findings of the enquiry.

And yes he is all bad.

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the song?

the inspiration for the song

well, then
he's still just as bad.

i'll be in shortly.

I suppose this is good news. But people always change history from a safe distance.

Don't bother spending your whole life fighting for something, history just erases it when it becomes out of vogue.

So he apologised for Bloody Sunday but denies responsibility for Blue Monday and Ruby Tuesday?

I want you to think of that great quotation that it's not the politician that brings the right to vote, it is the soldier; it is not the poet that brings free speech, it is the soldier; it is not the journalist that brings free expression, it is the soldier. So I want you to help me create a new atmosphere in our country, an atmosphere where we back and revere and support our military.

yeah. no hypocrisy there.

so he admits about 30 years later that soldiers murdering catholics simply because they felt like it was wrong, but he has no problem with what the troops are doing now in afghanistan? no, those murderers are all heroes! that makes him "not all bad?".

no.

he wants a "smaller more efficient state". he wants to privatise and cut public spending. he's a neo liberal actor/manager whose going to smile and do the pr as he shifts the price of the recession onto the backs of the poor, who will have to pay for it. and at the same time he blames us for being "irresponsible" and not "contributing" but just "taking" from society.

its free market capitalism/neo liberalism that have created the nightmarish poverty and isolated consumer self interest as relegion that multi millionaire tories profit off and now try to blame on some sort of moral failing of the poor.

I noticed the Labour government never apologised for Bloody Sunday. But then the cunts never apologised for anything.

OK, I'll grant you this as an aberation. But he didn't have to appologize--for some, the acknowledgement would have been enough.

Wouldn't find Bush apologizing for anything.

"He's not as bad as Bush" doesn't really cut it for me.

yeah.

he's not as bad as bush, i'm gonna love him.
he can read, he must be great.

Precisely.

I was mildly impressed with what seemed to be sincerity. Mildly, at best.

Why should they? They weren't even in power during Bloody Sunday.

i see him trolling, patrolling, he hating he tryna catchu gettin angry.

to be fair they could have apologised because they are the acting government. tony blair apologised to the guildford four and he wasnt in power then either.

Japan is better.(ohh..)

cameron is the biggest cunting twat ever in my book. i wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire.

Yeah, you're right, but in the case of Bloody Sunday the Saville report was only just released, just as the Guildford enquiry fell during Blair's reign. And like blair, Cameron is responding to the results of the enquiry more than the actual events that took place. Had Brown been in power right now, he too would've felt pressured to apologise.

brown pressure.

But wold you if he wasn't?

he would probably enjoy it so no.

question time today. a load of tory back benchers stood up in the first 2 minutes and attacked him for being weak on crime. so of course he fell back on his "but labour messed up everything" schtick. its all new labours failure! thats all he's got. we will be hearing that everyday for at least the next 5 years just like we heard it everyday of labours last 13 years.

the tory backbenchers do not like cameron. they get rid of him the coalition collapses.

my obvious prediction is that the cuts/budget will OBVIOUSLY make a lot of people very angry. cameron will get the brunt of it. he's going to have a hard time of it. its always fun to watch politicians who have been in office as they age at a sped up rate over their term of office. miliband will have a good chance in 5 years. but i'm more interested in seeing a left coalition between all the smaller parties. i wish labour would get out of the way and disintegrate so they don't end up the only other choice next time.

to be fair to cameron. he has impressed me on some things. you have to give him credit for modernising the right wingers. i mean who the fuck else could have done that? he's been at least OK on gay issues, altho certainly not perfect. who would have thought it would be the tories that introduced an anti homophobic bullying campaign for schools. maybe that was more from clegg and the lib dems but at least he's agreed to it. it seems that theresa may must have enjoyed her nights out at those gay bars, because she's openly said that she has "changed her mind" about gay adoption.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/06/16...-or-blood-ban/

these are some of the highlights of their recently released lgbt policy document

• allowing gay people to have religious civil partnerships
• lobbying other countries to repeal homophobic laws and recognise UK civil partnerships
• removing historical convictions for consensual gay sex from criminal records
• tackling homophobic bullying
• better recording of hate crimes
• ending deportation of LGBT asylum seekers fleeing homophobic countries

no mention of full marriage equality or lifting the ban on blood donations.

all those are welcome, but the deportation promise is the most important and i will tip my brim to them for that. at least now some of those iraqis whose country britain has destroyed won't be told to "go back home and pretend to be straight".

It also promises to publish the first government action plan on trans equality next year and work towards providing safe refuge support people for trans people in need of shelter.

he was just asked if he would bring the troops home right now:

"if we brought the troops home... straight away...we would be letting down our nato allies... we would also be created a situation in which the taleban would return and the danger of terrorist trainings camps would come straight back."

he wants to get the taleben to "put down their arms and re-integrate". well that doesnt seem likely. considering the news that caused petraeus to faint yesterday, the news that karzai plans to switch his allegiance over to the taleban because they are winning. he said that his planned approach would allow the troops to "come home with their heads held high". stupid hubris. what the fuck do they have to be proud of? their part in a genocide thats claimed over 2 million people? the destruction and chaos they have brought with them?

i don't think he's even that clued into whats happening in afghanistan. he's definitely worried and very conciouss about keeping up appearances and posturing for the cameras. he hasn't shown any leadership and is betraying the country and the troops with this approach. he could have stood up and said "no, we aren't going to go down with americas doomed imperialist ambitions" and withdrawn. he could have got the credit for bringing us back to the mood we were in during the 90's when it was publically known and accepted that this was one of the safest times for britain in its entire history. it still is despite the bullshit terrorist threat the media has cooked up and the wars have made worse. wishful thinking i guess.

being "weak on crime" is a red herring to distract from actual debate.

politicians cannot do ANYTHING about crime except add to the list of crimes (make new laws) or throw money at police departmensts, which we all know do NOT prevent crime, they just clean up the mess afterwards and hopefully catch those that commited the most terrible crimes. they could give a fuck about who broke in to your house.

At least Cameron hasn't reached the depths of fascism that Berlusconi has yet. Just read about the new brilliant law that he is pushing for regarding the way enquiries that affect politicians are dealt with by the press. Somebody should send this cunt to a galaxy as far away from human beings as possible. Not that an apology for Bloody Sunday is any use to the families of the victims in any shape or form. The pope apologised about the crusades a few centuries they happened too.

A few centuries after they happened.

Blair's government set up the enquiry after the tories under Major didn't.
It would have been premature of him to apologise before the enquiry published its findings.
Who knew it was going to take 12 years to find the truth.

So fucking what? You gonna blame the weapons manufacturers next for Bloody Sunday? :rolleyes:

that reminds me of the bloody sunday that was that glorious incident from an alternative reality were things are just and only bono was shot, repeatedly, by everyone.

his writing is terrible. he licks camerons ass, yet of course looks over the fact that cameron has no intention of bringing the troops in afghanistan home to stop them from dying/murdering even more than died on bloody sunday. "heroes on all sides". dont make me sick you fucking christian capitalist apologist. oh its all better now that the state murdered people but apologised and admitted it was wrong so many years later. what ethical legitimacy does cameron or the british state have on these matters considering its role in the murder of over 2million civilians between iraq and afghanistan? the answer is none. what ethical legitamacy does bono have considering he has refused to stop making music for so many years? none. and then the millionaire tries to come off all folksy and populist with his "i'm one of the people" schtick. i live in fucking ireland and i'd gladly join the ira or lvf if the plan was to bomb one of his many castles.

politicians cannot do anything about crime? i stopped there.

no, the governemnt in power at the time.

Oh yeah, I forgot about retard politics. Whoever's in power is to blame for everything. Luckily for Cameron the Labour party were in power when the volcano in Iceland first erupted which severely disrupted air travel costing the aviation industry billions in lost revenue. Labour was naturally to blame for that.

Labour weren't responsible for the volcano erupting.

now you are just stretching the trolling to the point of dementia. its getting more abstract, just a random jumble of the same words and phrases. keep it up.

Have you heard of Halidol? It'd work wonders on your psychosis, dear.

Thanks for your autobiographical reply.