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Skuj 07.14.2010 11:46 PM

The Eyes Wide Shut Appreciation Society
 
Because contrary to popular wisdom, it is one of Kubrik's very finest.

Beautiful Plateau 07.14.2010 11:54 PM

good movie, I concur

!@#$%! 07.15.2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
Because contrary to popular wisdom, it is one of Kubrik's very finest.


its a good horror movie

it's not a "sex" movie

it's about fucking with the wrong people and how your shitty little yuppie self is nothing when faced with real power

it's also about how nicole kidman blows her shitty grimacing ex-husband out of the water. i hate tom cruise but he was well utilized here as a naive turd.

barry lyndon, by the way, has a similar theme, and it successfully employs a similarly wooden male lead in a similar trajectory (though he's a criminal little shit). very close, these two.

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i edited this a couple of, no, a few times, i hope it makes sense. gotta go crash.

atsonicpark 07.15.2010 12:25 AM

I think it's one of his lesser films, but it's still really good. Nice atmosphere. I'd put it on par with The Shining, probably. Maybe a bit long, but eh.

jon boy 07.15.2010 01:43 AM

it was ok but i thought it was too maudlin at times.

knox 07.15.2010 01:50 AM

i can't stand tom cruise.

jon boy 07.15.2010 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by knox
i can't stand tom cruise.


that too.

demonrail666 07.15.2010 02:13 AM

It was never gonna work with Kubrick directing it. Whatever he might be good at, it's not subtle human interaction. His forte is quite one-dimensional, cartoonish characters (The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket). Someone like Steven Soderbergh or John Sayles would've been great but it was totally the wrong film for Kubrick to try and make. Although it might seem like an odd choice given what I just said, but Michael Mann would've likely done an amazing job of it, too. But definitely not Kubrick.

Count Mecha 07.15.2010 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
It was never gonna work with Kubrick directing it. Whatever he might be good at, it's not subtle human interaction. His forte is quite one-dimensional, cartoonish characters (The Shining, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket).


Barry Lyndon is great for that.

demonrail666 07.15.2010 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Count Mecha
Barry Lyndon is great for that.


Yeah, Barry Lyndon is the closest to Eyes Wide Shut in lots of ways, but it still ups the cartoonish aspects of its characters. Unless that's what you meant.

terminal pharmacy 07.15.2010 02:38 AM

i discount it totally due to the tom cruise factor, i just cannot watch that walking turd on screen.

automatic bzooty 07.15.2010 03:03 AM

major mixed feelings 'bout eyes wide shut. i don't like tom cruise ... and i've become very sick of nicole kidman. ugh.

movie itself was p. interesting though. i'm not that into films but generally kubrick's stuff gets + keeps my attention...

atsonicpark 07.15.2010 03:23 AM

I do gotta say that Tom Cruise is just repugnant, horrid, idiotic and awful.

1999 was a good year for him. Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia were both great.

Derek 07.15.2010 05:31 AM

I love Eyes Wide Shut. It's my favourite Kubrick.

atsonicpark 07.15.2010 05:32 AM

My favorite is THE KILLING. A CLOCKWORK ORANGE is up there too.

noisereductions 07.15.2010 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I do gotta say that Tom Cruise is just repugnant, horrid, idiotic and awful.

1999 was a good year for him. Eyes Wide Shut and Magnolia were both great.


and soon after Vanilla Sky ... he fit that role well.

SONIC GAIL 07.15.2010 08:08 AM

Magnolia was quite good

deflinus 07.15.2010 08:26 AM

i haven't seen this movie in awhile. but i love it.
i don't know why tom cruise gets a lot of hate.
he's a good actor.

they should remake this movie in 3D and market it towards children.
it's a win-win situation

FreshChops 07.16.2010 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
Because contrary to popular wisdom, it is one of Kubrik's very finest.


agree with'ya. A contrary to trendy opinion, I think Tom Cruise is a good actor and just alright with me, even if he's not from this planet. It's just too convenient to hate on him, but I've liked him in a lot of movies and as with every other entertainer, I could give a fuck about his personal life, opinions and idiocracies. Simple as that... play some good roles in good movies, all I ask. Like him or not, he's a pretty talented motherfucker.

I liked him just fine in Legend, Interview w/ a Vampire, Born on fourth of July, Magnolia, Vanilla Sky, Valkyrie, Eye's wide shut, Tropic Thunder, Rainman, Few Good Men, Jerry Mcguire, and some others.....

Count Mecha 07.16.2010 03:00 AM

Yeah, I think Tom Cruise has made some pretty cool movies, I like his acting even if it's borderline retarded at times "THEY'RE ALL DEAD CLAIRE, THEY'RE AAAAAAAAAAAALL DEAD!"

But yeah I like him, I just think Eyes Wide Shut is dumber than shit. But you all dig it, whatever, it's cool.

demonrail666 07.16.2010 03:04 AM

I like Tom Cruise too.

He's made some dodgy career decisions and is clearly a prick as a person but he's great in Rain Man, Color of Money and Collateral. I can definitely understand why people take a real dislike to him, though.

atsonicpark 07.16.2010 03:15 AM

Ugh. I thought Collateral was terrible.

His best performance was probably Born on the 4th of July.

demonrail666 07.16.2010 03:55 AM

Wow, I'm really surprised you don't like Collateral.

Born on the 4th of July is a good call though. Not one of my favourites but definitely a good performance.

Satan 07.16.2010 04:24 AM

i hate tom cruise but this movie is decent for kubrick

why would you choose this when you have clockwork, the shining, lolita, dr strangelove, FUCKING 2001 for christs ssake????

Rob Instigator 07.16.2010 09:32 AM

EWS is a very cool movie. I think if I had seen it before I was married for years I would not have understood it.

Skuj 07.16.2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Satan
i hate tom cruise but this movie is decent for kubrick

why would you choose this when you have clockwork, the shining, lolita, dr strangelove, FUCKING 2001 for christs ssake????


Because EWS is up there with those others, not minor/failed Kubrik.

I will never understand the hate for Cruise. Dude is a brilliant actor, and EWS proves it.

tesla69 07.16.2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
I will never understand the hate for Cruise. .


they're just jealous cuz he got katie i know i am.

i will always think this movie is based on reality - sounds like the weird elite sex parties run by the son of sam cult

gualbert 07.16.2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tesla69
they're just jealous cuz he got katie i know i am.

Not me. It started with Top Gun, this very long mennen commercial ("when i'm about to go shooting communists, i need my skin to be soft and clean...")

chicka 07.16.2010 12:50 PM

Tom Cruise couldn't act his way out of paper bag. That's my own personal opinion that is obviously shared by half the world while the other half loves him. He must be doing something right to make 20 million a movie. I think he's best in movies like The Outsiders, Magnolia, and Tropic Thunder where he doesn't have to carry the movie.

Torn Curtain 07.16.2010 12:57 PM

I think Eyes Wide Shut is pretty bad (and I usually love Kubrick). I thought it was very awkward and boring.

SONIC GAIL 07.16.2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by chicka
Tom Cruise couldn't act his way out of paper bag. That's my own personal opinion that is obviously shared by half the world while the other half loves him. He must be doing something right to make 20 million a movie. I think he's best in movies like The Outsiders, Magnolia, and Tropic Thunder where he doesn't have to carry the movie.


I love tropic thunder especially Jack black's caracter. Laughed my ass off

Satan 07.16.2010 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skuj
Dude is a brilliant actor, and EWS proves it.

lol

Derek 07.16.2010 03:46 PM

HEY WAIT A MINUTE, I said I absolutely loved Eyes Wide Shut when I started to post here and everyone told me it was one of the worst movies they had ever seen! (Actually I think it was atsonicpark that said that). Hmmm... I see people have came round to it's brilliance I suppose!

davenotdead 07.16.2010 04:00 PM

i've always liked this movie. and tom cruise is hit-or-miss sure, but you can't deny his charisma

Rob Instigator 07.16.2010 04:59 PM

I have watched it once, and did not like or dislike it, but it has stuck in my head, and it affected me, and that is a success in my eyes. I will watch it again

Rob Instigator 07.16.2010 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SONIC GAIL
I love tropic thunder especially Jack black's caracter. Laughed my ass off


"Hey, man. Remember a while back when I called your mom a cankerous whore?"

Derek 07.16.2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I have watched it once, and did not like or dislike it, but it has stuck in my head, and it affected me, and that is a success in my eyes. I will watch it again

Yeah that's what I think about a lot of movies... it's the getting stuck in my head that makes me title it a great movie in retrospect.

Derek 07.16.2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mellysingsdoom
Derek, I thought that "EWS" was horrible! I saw it in a cinema in Berlin in 1999 (when it came out, and was so bored, I ended up following the German subtitles instead. Mr Cruise and Ms Kidman had zero sexual chemistry, which pretty much ruined the entire raison d'etre of the film. And 3 hours??? Mein Gott, Christus weint!

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I think eyes wide shut is one of the worst films ever made...

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Yeah, Eyes Wide Shut is pretty terrible. I'm not a massive fan of Kubrick at the best of times but that really was awful. I suppose the fact that it wasn't properly finished excuses it a bit, but even so..

Was just digging through my old Eyes Wide Shut appreciation posts haha.

FreshChops 07.16.2010 05:36 PM

I personally think Eyes Wide Shut is a really cool movie. What makes it special to me is some titties.... nah, jk, but it's really cool because it's one of the slowest movies I've ever seen. Every scene, all the dialogue, the whole speed of the movie is unnaturally slow. The director did a good job of sticking to the pace of the film and selling the actors on the pace of it (yes, the horrible man that is Tom Cruise included). It has such a rich, dark, grimy feel to it's that's not easily achieved. The whole film feels thick. The lighting and sound are special too. In all, the story is borderline cheesy, but it the film and acting is rich enough to draw you in to where it doesn't really matter.

Derek 07.16.2010 06:05 PM

I think a part of it's appeal is the whole 'cult' aspect of the storyline, since I have a huge interest in cults.


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