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burning the koran in florida
are there really that many copies of the koran in the actual state of florida? will they be lucky to light three cigarettes from the flames?
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Huh????? I have yet to see a koran here let alone burn it and why????? we are not all racist mostly just the rich. The rest of us r just tryin to make it down here despite yr color or religious beliefs.
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it looks like the redneck is finally getting it and calling the burning off.
THANKS SOUTHERN AMERICA! |
you talkin to me hevusa:)
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good. burning any book is a barbaric act, i wonder how he'd react if someone burned a bible in front of him... and christians don't even treat their bible as a holy thing as much as muslims do with the koran.
i've actually read both the bible and the koran (a translation) and the basic message is roughly the same. but dare i say it? the koran is nicer to read. i liked the poetry. i'm not religious at all, but i like reading different views (tried mein kampf once but didn't make it through the first two chapters, call me prejudiced but hitler was quite a narcissistic little bitch) |
I guess that dude is discussing right now with the FBI and CNN about the point and effects of doing it.
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Apparently, just the threat was enough to prompt bombings and such.
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yeah, I couldn't resist a jab to the mid section. as soon as you got some good ol' southern cooking in me I would shut right up though. |
The q'uran was written as a whole piece of literature.
the Bible (meaning "collection of books") was put together out of dozens if not hundreds of sepaarte sources, and codified into one volume. It was never meant to be read front to back as a book is read. too many fundamentalist idiots forget or are never taught this. |
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you must spread etc etc. there is really no point in condemning a religion for something christianity did too, a few hundred years ago. (crusades...) most large religions go through a violent phase with large growth, and then get smaller. islam is a younger religion so they have this phase later. look at it as puberty. |
Wasn't the Ottoman Empire a Muslim one?
at least the Ottoman empire welcomed science and learning and knowledge and collected and protected the knowledge for westerners to catch up on later. when the christians take over they tend to see all knowledge that does not come from the bible as evil and worthy of being burned, destroyed, forgotten. |
When people say they have read the bible, what one are they talking about? I mean, there's 66 books that form the bible.
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USA is a very religious country AND also the most advanced in science and technology.
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you'd think people would have learned something from the fuckery and riots five years ago...
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I've been following this story...
Irritated me quite a bit. Posted this on Facebook a couple days ago: " Christians ranting on about the violence in the Koran need to take the time to consider all the violence in their own bibles. This isn't a jab at either religion (I personally don't care what one chooses to believe as long as it doesn't effect me in a negative manner), but merely me being frustrated at utter hypocrisy." |
What is the deal every Sept 11 someone somewhere has to do something to remind the survivors and everyone else it's 9/11 like it is some kind of twisted holiday. My brother was working there that day. The second plane hit more or less where he worked at Fuji Trust. He was lucky he was on his way out when the plane hit. He survived but it changed him forever. He's fine but a different person than he was before that day. I don't think he or anyone else that was there or involved with the horror that was that day needs to be reminded every damn year.
Granted noone is going to forget that day and the tragedy it was but can we for once let the day pass without reminding them and everyone else to relive the horrors. This preacher in Fla wants to burn the Koran. Fine do it privately and save some gas to pour on yourself so you can get better acquainted with what it felt like for those who lost their lives that day. |
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oh fuck off:) i have the same god they do we just call him somethin different |
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they dont understand that if there god could make everything else why would he not make knowledge.....in fact proverbs is a book of knowledge and understanding these people are givin jesus believers a bad rap fuck em |
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that hypocrisy is usually what turns people off when it comes to god. now that we are allowed to think for ourselves we usually don't want to get mixed up in some group that does not live by what they speak. It really irritates me as a christian because I respect ALL religions. God made everyone different so why would he not communicate with them in different ways? And those that do not believe in god usually follow the same morals as those that do and I do think that they should be respected equally. Its about giving to others and being a good person not fighting about who is right and wrong. If yopu believe in god then you believe he wants evryone here not just you. |
Happy Eid Mubarak!
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This is true in many cases, and is the very reason why many are confused into thinking this nation was founded by Christians, on Christian principals. It's sad. Things are getting better in some cases, but there are still those that believe totally absurd bullshit like "if there is extra-terrestrial life, it must be of Satan because the Bible doesn't mention it", not to mention totally bypassing facts such as evolution that have been scientifically proven. You'll have some preacher say something completely ill-thought like "haha, I didn't come from no monkey", which just goes to show how much they have actually studied on the topic. All of this said, I find most atheist (sadly...) kinda do the same thing when discussing the Bible. Basically, it's clear they haven't read it and sometimes make outrageous claims based on things they've heard, as opposed to have actually researched/read. Which brings me to the topic of this thread..... As far as this Terry Jones thing, he seems to feel as if these books should be burned because of a religion that he thinks supports violence. I just wish he'd consider all of the violence that has spawned as a result of Christianity. "Ask a Native American about Christian love" and all that jazz. There has, beyond any shadow of a doubt, been more bloodshed as a result of Christianity than perhaps all other religions put together. Some shit like 9/11 happens, we are still talking about it nearly 10 years later as if it was yesterday. I DO think it's an event that should be remembered, but finger pointing and blaming (still....) this far in the game is insane. What about radical christians and the shit they have been responsible for? What if I were to judge every Christian out there based on the actions of Tim Mcveigh or Christopher Columbus? Totally not fair. People interpret the text of the Bible very differently, and respond to it as such. People read what they want to read. Christians often disregard the Old Testament (an extremely violent group of books) as not meaning much because of Jesus...when in all actuality, Jesus came in SUPPORT of the Old Testament, even if perhaps adding a little common sense to it (i.e. it being OK to work on the Sabbath if necessary). From what I gather about the Koran, (and I am by no means an expert on it) is that their version of the Old Testament was mostly peaceful, the new one got violent. Polar opposite of what we see in the Christian version of the Bible (Christian New Testament is wildly violent as well...Jesus was not a hippy, sorry...just not as violent as the Old Testament). |
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I am an Atheist. However, I do believe that if there was a God (one actually aware of his own and our individual existences) that he would think along these lines. He gave us brains for a reason and understands we're all different and communicates w/ us in different ways...yep. I mean, I DON'T believe that because I don't believe in God but if he did exist in the way some people speak about him...then yes, I can dig that train of thought. |
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but the USA is strictly and specifically a SECULAR nation, not a religions/christian nation, regardless of what the pundits in the Tea Party and Fox News would have you think, |
Rob just got repped.
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when the Roman Catholic vatican ran most of Europe the killing, raping, and destruction of knowledge and books and codexes from south america, and the burning of Ottoman libraries universities etc was unprecedented,
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Oh, so you are both lying. ;) |
But the thing about Proverbs...yes, lot's of great wisdom to be shared from that book. But the Bible is a book made up of many different books written by people that mostly didn't even know each other. Still surprises me how many people think it's in chronological order as written. Job is actually the oldest book of the Bible....I can't help but to question a peace/loving God considering the way Job was tested.
Not to mention it was required of Abraham to KILL his son as a test of his faith. Thankfully God told him not to go through with it toward the end. Prostitutes being stoned. And a son of God forced to die and suffer for our sins. It's endless.... No wonder @ all the violence. I can see how it would make sense to some. Sad, but true. |
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ann ashtray again. |
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oh fuck off again im about to go home:D |
the thing is, if there is violence in religious texts, it is there as a reflection and aresult of the violence in the human existance.
life is a violent endeavor. HUmans can see this in a way other animals seem to not. This causes us to question the existance of the violence and pain and suffering, instead of just accepting it as part of the natural order of things. all death is life, all life is death. all destruction is construction. all constrution is destruction. |
And to that, Rob, I say amen.
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yin an yang baby I will reinterate that this is JUST WHAT I BELIEVE so as not to get into another 3 page bible scuffle, but god knows what you are going to do before you do it but you still have the right to choose what you do. Almost everything in the bible contradicts itself. It makes no fuckin sense!!!!!!! so i just believe and talk to him like he walks around with me everywhere i go and do unto others like i want to be treated. i have seen no miracles but I KNOW he listens cause he has answered some really deep shit in my life more than once. humans are not forced to love god we have to choose to thus we fall get up make a big mess of shit get up again and go back to him. at least thats what i did. i was not always so faithfull i went through my questioning period hurt myself hurt others and came back and even though i know i once denied him he will never deny me. |
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YES that is the truest statement I have read in a long time.....too bad i cant rep you today!!!! |
In my early teens, I burnt a pocket-sized bible and neutralized the flames with my piss - just to show the God I didn't believe in, just how tough I was.
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Well I used to roll joints with the new testament. I inhaled the word of god
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Hey its better than tampon wrappers
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just rape me tomorrow. |
You'd like that but too bad renember my bathroom beating man
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I agree with you on that. Take the Crusades. When the Chrisitian army captured Jerusalem it massacred the Muslim population. It even turned on the Jews, burning the synagogues they took refuge in. |
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