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SpectralJulianIsNotDead 07.17.2006 02:08 PM

Name a song that isn't in 4/4
 
Jimi Hendrix- Manic Depression 3/4

h8kurdt 07.17.2006 02:13 PM

Anything by Dream theater?

Daddylikes 07.17.2006 02:28 PM

The eleven by the grateful dead is in 11/7 time I do believe.

Take Five by the Dave Brubeck Quartet is in 5/4 time.

I think Fillmore Jive by Pavement is in 5/4 time as well.

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 07.17.2006 02:31 PM

Fillmore Jive sounds like 4/4 to my ear.

Cantankerous 07.17.2006 02:32 PM

everything by john lee hooker

Daddylikes 07.17.2006 02:32 PM

Maybe it is, but for some reason I thought it was in 5/4?

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 07.17.2006 02:36 PM

I think it could be because the drum fills are so weird. But if you listen and count 4/4, you can hear the snare hits on the same places everytime during the slow parts, and during the fast parts, the same goes for the fills.

pantophobia 07.17.2006 02:46 PM

Are We Not Men? by Devo

perhaps the best song written in 7/8 speed

Cantankerous 07.17.2006 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpectralJulianIsNotDead
I think it could be because the drum fills are so weird. But if you listen and count 4/4, you can hear the snare hits on the same places everytime during the slow parts, and during the fast parts, the same goes for the fills.

guess who doesn't know how to do that?

gmku 07.17.2006 03:30 PM

Backstreet Girl by the Rolling Stones

3/4 time

k-krack 07.17.2006 03:44 PM

basically every waltz... 3/4. alot of local bands (Quasi Mepris, Varge!... my band) use other times. 7/4 Shoreline by Broken Social Scene is (obviously) in 7/4 (i think there is parts in it that are 4/4... i can't remember) Cage by King Crimson is in 7/4 (but the chorus is in 4/4...) Thrak by King Crimson also, is in 5/4

m^a(t)h 07.17.2006 03:54 PM

3/4 is pretty common, could name hundreds of songs...

radiohead- 2+2=5 (intro = 7/4),

badgercorn 07.17.2006 06:11 PM

Radiohead have a lot of weird time signatures. Paranoid Android goes from 4/4 to 7/4 then back. Myxamytosis off Hail To The Thief.. i'm too tired to figure out..

m^a(t)h 07.17.2006 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badgercorn
Radiohead have a lot of weird time signatures. Paranoid Android goes from 4/4 to 7/4 then back. Myxamytosis off Hail To The Thief.. i'm too tired to figure out..


yeah, I have real trouble figuring out their time signatures: we suck young blood and pyramid song confuse me...

Phlegmscope 07.17.2006 06:32 PM

Most of the time I have no idea of time signature and can't figure it out unless it's 3/4 or 4/4, and not even then in case the drumming is "off-beat" and beats are left out and/or added unexpectedly.

It would probably help if I were able to play actual songs and knew the different ways to count the beats per measure.

Cantankerous 07.17.2006 08:33 PM

tell me how to figure out time signatures, please?

acousticrock87 07.17.2006 08:35 PM

I think that part right after the intro to Candle is something like 9/4. It always trips me up.

k-krack 07.17.2006 08:40 PM

just count how many beats are in one bar like...ill do an example of a couple of times.
3/4- boom bah bah boom bah bah boom bah bah
1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3

4/4- doot deee bah boo doot deee bah boo
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4

5/4- yip yip yeah yeah yay yip yip yeah yeah yay
1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5

It can be really tricky awhen yr just starting to... (as if it is a profession or something....haha) ...do it, but it gets easier if you listen to alot of 'math rock' (haha..)
It's super hard (for me) to actually be trying to play music in different time signatures without someone else to count it.

*Edit.. i just realised that the spacing i did did not show up... well, i hope you can rfigure it out from there...

acousticrock87 07.17.2006 08:41 PM

I used to play drums with some guys who had no concept of signatures, and they wrote all the songs. That was hell.

k-krack 07.17.2006 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
I used to play drums with some guys who had no concept of signatures, and they wrote all the songs. That was hell.


haha what? so you would... just play in 4/4 always (which isnt all that uncommon...?) or they couldn't do that even? explain

narlus 07.17.2006 08:45 PM

"Caution" from the Chameleons is in 6/8, i believe. great song.

acousticrock87 07.17.2006 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-krack
haha what? so you would... just play in 4/4 always (which isnt all that uncommon...?) or they couldn't do that even? explain

No, like they would come up with these bizarre riffs that made no mathematical sense at all. Like there would be a random eighth-note at the end or something. I just had to figure out a beat that worked with it or tell them to add or subtract a beat or something. It was my first band and I hardly knew what I was doing, and I didn't understand rhythm enough to analyze and play it, so it got real stressful trying to keep up with new songs and remember all the little oddities.

samuel 07.17.2006 08:54 PM

My Sweet Prince by Placebo 3/4? I think.

EyeballGrowth 07.17.2006 08:55 PM

songs not in 4/4?

My Wave - Soundgarden
Tornadoes - Butthole Surfers
LOTS of zappa, Frank and Dweezil alike
Money - Pink Floyd
No Aloha - The Breeders

k-krack 07.17.2006 08:55 PM

(acousticrock87) oooh yeah. it can be really annoying trying to come up with a different beat in like.. 5/4 and then have another song in 5/4 (just an example) and try to come up with a different beat... its rewarding though. aha

acousticrock87 07.17.2006 08:59 PM

Ya but it wasn't even that. It would be usually something in 4/4 but with an extra eighth-note. Like I guess that would be something like 9/8, to give it a sort of edgy metal sound. It's easy to just come up with a sporadic off-kilter guitar riff like that, but when it comes to playing an interesting beat over it it was out of my league.

Like:

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 1 1

k-krack 07.17.2006 09:14 PM

yeah
when im too tired out and stuff, i usually resort to really sorta.. simplified beats, like.. (5/4 just to keep with 5/4)
*edit, ahhh fuck it doesn't keep the spacing patterns i make!!! *Wahhhh anyways.. it ws just
bass snare bass bass snare repeated.. or
bass snare bass snare snare ... etc

golden child 07.17.2006 11:53 PM

i always wondered:

how do you tell the difference between say... 8/4 and 4/4, how do you know its 8/4 and not 4/4 with eighth notes.


<---- heh, 666!

acousticrock87 07.17.2006 11:58 PM

You mean the difference between 4/4 and 4/8. It's played the same, but written differently. The same exact thing written in 4/4 would be twice as fast played in 4/8, but if you're just explaining what a song is being played in, it doesn't matter.

golden child 07.18.2006 12:05 AM

yeah 4/8 thats what i meant. your explation is about what i thought.

SonikJesus 07.18.2006 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
You mean the difference between 4/4 and 4/8. It's played the same, but written differently. The same exact thing written in 4/4 would be twice as fast played in 4/8, but if you're just explaining what a song is being played in, it doesn't matter.


I think you mean 8/4. It's played the same as 4/4 but the bars are twice as long (8 beats in a measure). The same thing written in 4/8 would be twice as fast as 4/4, like you said. But 4/4 and 4/8 are not played the same. I think I just misinterpreted your post. This is cool, I didn't think a lot of you knew stuff about reading music. Can any of you guys read music? Like notes, not tabs? Personally, I think tabs are a pain to read. Notes are so much easier. I guess people are just too lazy to learn to read music.

SonikJesus 07.18.2006 12:31 AM

In other words,4/8 is just 4/4 cut in half.

acousticrock87 07.18.2006 01:48 AM

I didn't mean they were played the same, but that you can't tell the difference by listening to a song whether it's 4/4 or 4/8. It's just a preference of organization, depending on the piece and which it best fits. Although, 8/4 would be impossible to differentiate, too. I hadn't thought of that.

I think I do have a wrong concept of what the value is, though. One bar of 4/8 would be equivalent to a half bar of 4/4, then, but with twice as many beats? I think that's why I said it's twice as fast. I'm not even sure anymore.

Cantankerous 07.18.2006 02:06 AM

mary had a little lamb

terminal pharmacy 07.18.2006 09:13 AM

tool - lateralus 9/8 8/8 7/8 then the main 6/4
most of a perfect circles catalogue is in 6/8
kurt weill - alabama song 3/4
jethro tull - thick as a brick where do you start with that baby, changes time so much its rediculous

sonic sphere 07.18.2006 03:50 PM

the 1st song on slayer's divine intervention-don't know the name

SonikJesus 07.18.2006 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acousticrock87
I didn't mean they were played the same, but that you can't tell the difference by listening to a song whether it's 4/4 or 4/8. It's just a preference of organization, depending on the piece and which it best fits. Although, 8/4 would be impossible to differentiate, too. I hadn't thought of that.

I think I do have a wrong concept of what the value is, though. One bar of 4/8 would be equivalent to a half bar of 4/4, then, but with twice as many beats? I think that's why I said it's twice as fast. I'm not even sure anymore.


I figured I misinterpreted your post. You're right about one bar of 4/8 being half a bar of 4/4. In 4/4, you're counting whole notes, while in 4/8 you're counting eighth notes ,which are half of a whole note, or half a beat. But they both 4/4 and 4/8 have 4 beats a measure/bar.

themawt71 07.19.2006 12:27 AM

sy's renegade princess
the beginning superimposes 3/4 on 4/4.

stravinskys rite of spring change time signatures umm often.

yeah i read music but it was a bitch going from tab to music. in highschool i forced myself to learn to read music but everytime there would be tab and "music" together i would always go to the tab.

_slavo_ 07.19.2006 12:28 AM

Mogwai - Waltz for Aidan - 3/4 (obviously)


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