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afterthefact 07.25.2006 08:30 PM

Stephen Malkmus!
 
Playing the same note on guitar as the one you are singing in almost every song that you do is not as cool as I think you think it is!

terminal pharmacy 07.25.2006 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
Playing the same note on guitar as the one you are singing in almost every song that you do is not as cool as I think you think it is!


it's his choice to do that musically, you either like the music or you don't. you are not as cool as what i think you think you are...........

afterthefact 07.25.2006 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy
it's his choice to do that musically, you either like the music or you don't. you are not as cool as what i think you think you are...........

I love his music, it was a joke. also, I don't give a fuck what you think of me. but thanks for stopping by! :)

sonic kid 51306 07.25.2006 09:46 PM

malkmus is a god!

luxinterior 07.25.2006 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
Playing the same note on guitar as the one you are singing in almost every song that you do is not as cool as I think you think it is!


Sounds like Thurston's Psychic Hearts album.

fishmonkey 07.26.2006 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sonic kid 51306
malkmus is a god!



'nuff said.

porkmarras 07.26.2006 06:23 AM

He's offensive.I liked Pavement when they popped up for the first time but then they started making less and less sense because of the above gentleman's puzzling lyrics.They should have stuck to instrumentals and never being interviewed.

afterthefact 07.26.2006 09:27 AM

It's not that his new stuff is bad, but you can definately tell that Pavement was a group effort :)

Lipslikewindows 07.26.2006 09:29 AM

I think if anyone wants to blast on the idea of picking out the melody you're singing, you should listening to Rather Ripped.

(not that I'm a fan of it. it works sometimes but both bands (Malk, SY) have started using it as a crutch)

kingcoffee 07.26.2006 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sonic kid 51306
malkmus is a god!


I wouldn't go nearly as far to call him a god. He's definitely a very talented musician, and I love Pavement's material, but I don't think it constitutes "god-like" status. That title is reserved for a very select few of uniquely talented, genre altering musicians. It's up there for Lou Reed, David Bowie, Hendrix, Lennon, Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips, etc.

Infinite Spark 07.26.2006 09:44 AM

Since the Pavement split, a fair share of credit for their sound should be given to Spiral Stairs, cos Preston School of Industry are far better than 90% of Malkmus' solo stuff imho

afterthefact 07.26.2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Infinite Spark
Since the Pavement split, a fair share of credit for their sound should be given to Spiral Stairs, cos Preston School of Industry are far better than 90% of Malkmus' solo stuff imho

PSOI kicks ass.

Inhuman 07.26.2006 09:57 AM

Silver Jews > Pavement IMO

He makes way better music with Berman I find. He nearly sings just as much as berman in American Waters, and I find it's better than any pavement album.

k-krack 07.26.2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
PSOI kicks ass.


sure as hell do.

Inhuman 07.26.2006 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by luxinterior
Sounds like Thurston's Psychic Hearts album.


And practically anything by Sunny Day Real Estate. He does that continuously throughout Diary

fishmonkey 07.26.2006 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kingcoffee
I wouldn't go nearly as far to call him a god. He's definitely a very talented musician, and I love Pavement's material, but I don't think it constitutes "god-like" status. That title is reserved for a very select few of uniquely talented, genre altering musicians. It's up there for Lou Reed, David Bowie, Hendrix, Lennon, Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips, etc.



maybe... but surely in somebody elses eyes they could see Malkmus as a god, i for one do, as i do Trent Reznor - now i realise that not everyone will see Reznor as a god-like musician but i do. Ok so Morrisson, Bowie, Hendrix, Lennon all wrote good music that stood the test of time and i'm guessing that you kingcoffee are a big Flaming Lips fan due to the fact you have included them in your list there, i dont share this opinion, and i think Hendrix was just a waster that choked on his own vomit.

so i supposed it all comes down to personal opinion on who actually qualifies as "god-like" and who is just standing the test of time.

Lipslikewindows 07.26.2006 10:52 AM

Flaming Lips blow with the exception of Drozd.

Oh, and so does the majority of PSOI.

afterthefact 07.26.2006 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Lipslikewindows
Flaming Lips blow with the exception of Drozd.

Oh, and so does the majority of PSOI.

wrong... and wrong...

truncated 07.27.2006 04:10 AM

Malkmus and Pavement are and were, to be fair, largely fluff. A warbly, yet endearing voice, catchy melodies, John Peel, and a good emo hairdo can be credited for Pavement's eventual popularity. Lo-fi my ass; they were high-end studio all the way.

Which is not to say I don't listen to Pavement, because I do. They (and Malkmus, or whichever order you prefer) just weren't all that musically innovative.

I'm just sayin', like.

fishmonkey 07.27.2006 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by truncated
Lo-fi my ass; they were high-end studio all the way.





slanted and enchanted
"high end studio"
i think not.

Alex's Trip 07.27.2006 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
wrong... and wrong...

I agree with the first 'wrong', but cannot confirm nor deny the second.

afterthefact 07.27.2006 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex's Trip
I agree with the first 'wrong', but cannot confirm nor deny the second.

then just trust me on it :)

Lipslikewindows 07.27.2006 09:47 AM

S+E is fairly hi-fi (though not compared to, say, Nevermind, recorded at the same time), but if you want the really lo-fi stuff, go to "Slay Tracks". You could say Sebadoh or some such was lower fi, but they didn't do nearly as much with the limited means as those early Pavement EPs.

kingcoffee 07.27.2006 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fishmonkey
maybe... but surely in somebody elses eyes they could see Malkmus as a god, i for one do, as i do Trent Reznor - now i realise that not everyone will see Reznor as a god-like musician but i do. Ok so Morrisson, Bowie, Hendrix, Lennon all wrote good music that stood the test of time and i'm guessing that you kingcoffee are a big Flaming Lips fan due to the fact you have included them in your list there, i dont share this opinion, and i think Hendrix was just a waster that choked on his own vomit.

so i supposed it all comes down to personal opinion on who actually qualifies as "god-like" and who is just standing the test of time.


Flaming Lips may not be super popular, but they are damn talented musicians! I consider them "gods" in a certain sense. I guess "demi gods" would be more fitting. Hendrix was amazing. If you can't see his talent and genius, then I pity you. He was more than a drug addict who choked on his own vomit (very tragic). He was a transcendant guitar god!!!!! Few people have ever come close to the inventive and radically different approach to the guitar as Jimi Hendrix did. He reinvented guitar music.

Also, Trent Reznor is not a rock "god", either. Kurt Cobain would be much more fitted for that status than Reznor would be. NiN had some good material, but were one of the most overrated bands of the 90's. He had one really good album and one so-so album, and after that, it was all down hill. He was a flash in the pan artist who's popularity lasted far too long. Reznor hasn't released anytrhing of note in 12 years. That's not a "god", that's a wash up.

fishmonkey 07.28.2006 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kingcoffee
Flaming Lips may not be super popular, but they are damn talented musicians! I consider them "gods" in a certain sense. I guess "demi gods" would be more fitting. Hendrix was amazing. If you can't see his talent and genius, then I pity you. He was more than a drug addict who choked on his own vomit (very tragic). He was a transcendant guitar god!!!!! Few people have ever come close to the inventive and radically different approach to the guitar as Jimi Hendrix did. He reinvented guitar music.

Also, Trent Reznor is not a rock "god", either. Kurt Cobain would be much more fitted for that status than Reznor would be. NiN had some good material, but were one of the most overrated bands of the 90's. He had one really good album and one so-so album, and after that, it was all down hill. He was a flash in the pan artist who's popularity lasted far too long. Reznor hasn't released anytrhing of note in 12 years. That's not a "god", that's a wash up.



Hendrix was good and all, dont get me wrong i understand 100% his relavance and talent but i really dont give a fuck about it.. why? cuz i dont like Jimi Hendrix or any of his albums or songs or anything. this i hold for others too, i.e. Bob Marley, John Lennon, Dinosaur Jr and tons tons more - all for which i would be placed in front of a firing squad and shot a million times for, i understand all the good these people have done for music but i dont like them or there music and i gradually start to not give a crap.
if we all liked the same music how boring the world would be.

Cantankerous 07.28.2006 03:48 AM

is he the one touring with the youth on bass?

fishmonkey 07.28.2006 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
is he the one touring with the youth on bass?


Mark Ibold the bass player from Pavement is touring with the Yoof.
Malkmus is the singer.

Alex's Trip 07.28.2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by afterthefact
then just trust me on it :)

I checked Preston School of Industry out, and they are pretty good. I liked them.

greedrex 04.03.2009 08:51 AM

I'll be damned if i don't admit that the four Solo Malkmus are REALLY good.
I had totally discarded (as in did not even care to listen to them) them , having been so disappointed with Pavement splitting.
But it's doing me the same early frank Black thing. As in this stuff is different to what they did with their previous band but it's damn good. I 'm even really enjoying the last one that is a tad over the top with arrangements and production but hey wow.

evollove 04.03.2009 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sonic kid 51306
malkmus is a god!


Then call me an atheist.

What bothers me about Malkmus is that he has never written a lyric that matters in the least. A few might be funny or decribe an unusual image, but overall, he clearly has NOTHING to say to the world. I suspect he's an incredibly shallow person.

noisereductions 04.03.2009 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Then call me an atheist.

What bothers me about Malkmus is that he has never written a lyric that matters in the least. A few might be funny or decribe an unusual image, but overall, he clearly has NOTHING to say to the world. I suspect he's an incredibly shallow person.



I'm not even sure how to respond to this. I mean this in the politest way possible: I guess you just don't "get" his lyrics?

greedrex 04.03.2009 09:18 AM

This song "We can't help you" on the last Lp is amazingly peaceful. Love that.

ricechex 04.03.2009 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I'm not even sure how to respond to this. I mean this in the politest way possible: I guess you just don't "get" his lyrics?


I guess lyrics have to mean something to him/her. That's fine, very conventional, but half the time the Beatles were thinking about words that merely rhymed. Malkmus uses the stream of conciousness word association thing. It breaks through the mental block of having to tell a proper story before writing the melodies et. I think it's great being a musician myself. You know how hard to write a set of lyrics that actually mean something *other than the usual cliches..??

greedrex 04.03.2009 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ricechex
Malkmus uses the stream of conciousness word association thing. It breaks through the mental block of having to tell a proper story before writing the melodies

true + very well said.

noisereductions 04.03.2009 09:46 AM

What bothered me was the statement "he has never written a lyric that matters in the least." I mean, if you want to write off say some of the weirder lyrics ("one of us is a cigar stand...") as being too much "unusual imagery" that's one thing. But off the top of my head I can think of a lot of Pavemenet/Malkmus lyrics ("Spit On A Stranger," "Major Leagues," "Grounded," the bulk of his self-titled LP, -- again just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could make a much longer list if I tried) that I think are pretty straight forward lyrics. Jeez, "Jenny & The Ess-Dog" is straight up story-song. So. Whatever.

Green_mind 04.03.2009 09:56 AM

^^ Very true, being a muscian or being able to play/sing music really does give ya a different perspective on these matters.
I can understand people disliking his style/lyrics, but to draw the conclusion that he's incredibly shallow is probs a lil' shallow in itself.
I've never been a big lyrics lover anyway, I don't find many, if any songs words to be deeply meaningful.

ricechex 04.03.2009 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Green_mind
^^ Very true, being a muscian or being able to play/sing music really does give ya a different perspective on these matters.
I can understand people disliking his style/lyrics, but to draw the conclusion that he's incredibly shallow is probs a lil' shallow in itself.
I've never been a big lyrics lover anyway, I don't find many, if any songs words to be deeply meaningful.


(thanks greedrex) yeah, sometimes i just pick out a key phrase and then start interpreting for myself what the lyrics mean. I think there only a handful of real songwriters lyrically out there that write with true meaning. Morrissey tells pretty much the same depressing story but has infinite ways to relay it. Most of the time lyrics don't mean much if you asked the author, that's why alot of them shy away from that question.

noisereductions 04.03.2009 10:18 AM

Malk's lyrics are a lot more like a Rimbaud poem than a "Hey Joe". That's all. There's plenty of meaning, if you take a few moments to explore it. So yeah, I agree that writing it off as meaning nothing is in fact shallow.

ricechex 04.03.2009 10:37 AM

It's funny how there's usually pages and pages of debate when people slag,critique,Pavement or the Fall.

afterthefact 04.03.2009 10:39 AM

That's why I feel like I should like The Fall more than I do.


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