Is anyone interested in demolishing this naffest of musical terms?
 

Also known as:IDM?

How do you suggest we demolish it?

Yes. I'm in favour. What is the date for demolition?

When dance music hasn't been intelligent i really don't know.All i know is that this most odious of terms has been probably invented by people who are scared of their own microwaves.Go on,pick those shovels and let's give this guitar-adoring term a good run for it's money.

"IDM" is bad, but not as bad as "Post Rock."

It's just basically electronic music that's not wholly dance-oriented. Like Prodigy or Scooter are wholly dance-oriented, that is made for discos and people with really loud, high-end stereo systems and live in secluded mansions where there are no neighbours and an olympic-sized swimming pool to chill out in after a long night of ecstasy and ice-fuelled dancing and lovemaking. It's like alternative rock. It's rock, but not for shitting in a trailer whilst drinking beer rock. Or is it? :(

it's fuckin horrible tripe.

Yeah, labels are for cans. This particular one seems more derivative than most.

IDM is way worse than Post Rock I think. It's such an embarrasingly awful sub-genre label that people always have to abbreviate it for fear of retching if they actually have to type/write Intelligent Dance Music...bllleeegghhhhh.

OK then, how about "EBM?"
Electronic Body Music?

Commence retching.

I remember this interview with John Peel where he said he liked the idea of intelligent drum n' bass, because it presupposed the existence of stupid drum n' bass...

Music to dance to. It's intelligent already. Just not cerebral.

SC - the thing with EBM is that if you go to a proper EBM night it should be loud enough to live up to its name. Slimelight in Islington, for instance.

In synopsis - IDM is dance music for people who don't dance (who should therefore be sectioned). EBM is for industrialists who go to raves, which I heartily approve of. Post-rock is for eunochs.

Actually the thing with EBM is that it's a pretty stagnant genre that has sounded exactly the same since roughly 1988 and has all but ruined modern goth music forever, or so it would seem.

Oh right. Yeah, that is very true. I generally get more annoyed by how industrial means goth-house to most industrialists, and I can't get into a decent conversation with them about Einsturzende Neubauten or Throbbing Gristle.

I refer to it as "Death Disco In Plastic Pants And Goggles."

Full concurrence.

EBM, like most modern electronic music has to be experienced, rather than heard. It's 'body' moniker bears testament to that. With regards to IDM, I'm thinkng that is the distinction that the critics and hoi polloi have placed on certain electronic music that can actually be listened to; at home, for instance. I still don't fully understand why the intelligent part though. Are they implying that all such music has deeper connotations and layers? Are they implying it's a pretentious intellectual fuck? :(

No name for a musical style/movement will ever be worse than "grunge".

I personally can't say EBM out loud becuz I hear "BM" and immediately think of shit.

IDM and EBM always sound like telephone companies to me.

"Wanna listen to some EBM?"
No I use Verizon.
"...What?"

IDM is a fun genre to listen to, but I agree that the label does suck. IDM was the name of a mailing list for aphex twin. Then some people came along and decided to make it a genre and made it stand for intelligent dance music. Aphex actually dislikes the term, even though he's seen as one of the original idm artists.

i give my stamp of approval for destruction.

As the term itself, IDM sucks major ass and I approve too.
But as a subgenre within electronic music concerning music not labels, in my personal opinion a thing called nu-jazz is just the worst fucking horrible thing ever invented. Come on, jazzy noodling with two or three beats, plus cheesy vocal samples and very user-friendly chill out atmosphere....hell, it's really bad.

Electronic Body Music i have less of a problem with because it immediatly brings up to mind a certain type of band(hello Clock DVA,Nitzer Ebb etc etc.) whereas IDM has obviously been invented by people who have got problems with electronic music in general.What's that name of the DeRogatis cunt?Was it him?

well, there have surely been many exciting acts falling under category of "IDM" such as Boards of Canada, Autechre, Arovane, Phonem or the mighty mighty Chris Clark but I guess its energy has burnt out a couple of years ago.

Anyone who says that they are into math rock are also to be severely punished too.Math rock?Get outta here!

i read this somewhere >>>-------> the name IDM was invented by some americans on an internet mailing list in the early/mid 90s, so it was neither critics, nor people who who had any involvement with dance music.
and i might be making this part up, i can't remember, but i think it was coined in reference to autechre. and bearing in mind that they were on the internet in the early 90s i would imagine they were probably connected to some kind of academic institution, or were geeks, or both. and being either academics or geeks they probably frowned on house or techno. plus americans tend to hate dance music and start ranting about disco whenever they hear something predominantly rhythmic.

i always thought that was quite a funny genre name.

i always loved math rock. wanna spank me?

this is the first I ever heard of it.

math rock ruled and rules

I hate the term math rock. It's too broad. I only consider bands like Hella to actually be mathy. Their older stuff anyone, they're new stuff is sooooooooo IDM!

Just kidding.

Rodan, June of 44, Shipping news, Drill for Absentee = math rock for me

I wouldn't really call June of 44 math rock _slavo_.Come here,you get a good spanking for that.

*Ouch!*

you hit too hard, honeybun

I like rock!

Yeah i read all that stuff and i've always been fascinated as to why europe is generally a much more receptive continent when it comes to electronic music.The american disco bashing is a laughable thing since it is an american creation that should be treasured rather than laughed off.

Becuz as a whole, America tends to like things they've heard before.

Electronic music contains too many sounds people haven't heard before.

Therefore Americans don't like electronic music.

Well, electro, techno and house have been around for 20+ years and electronic music saturates advertising and mass media, so I don't know that this argument holds much water.

Thinking too much hurts. So the labels are so that people don't have to think for their music enjoyment and appreciation! Less thinking please!

that's a load of shit. americans love electronic music. the problem is that electronic music/dance music is treated a s very disposable in the usa, much more so than anyhere else. it is a soundtrack to dance to and the moment something new to dance to comes along it is discarded. the same thing happens to hip hop here but in a slower way.

i gues sit all lies in how we treat it. techno is techno (I am dating myself here)
I find it personally very dull. Unless there are many changes ansd bridges and varied beats , which is rare, each song is essentially a near endless repeat of the same loop.

i am just too huge a fan of actual instruments, not programmed sounds coming off of a CPU.

Wrong on many levels,i'm afraid.So does rock music and to a certain extent classical music too.