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Genteel Death 03.05.2011 04:22 PM

Should the SYG compilation be mastered?
 
If you sent a track, vote on here with a simple yes or no.
My vote: No. Just a little volume balancing between tracks and nothing else (yeah, I know that's part of the mastering process and all that jazz).

atsonicpark 03.05.2011 04:29 PM

No. Like you said, make 'em kinda similiar volumes or whatever, so it isn't jarring when played back because one song being extremely quiet and the next song being extremely loud. That's all I can think of, I'd just leave it alone for the most part.

Derek 03.05.2011 04:33 PM

Volume balancing.

themawt71 03.05.2011 05:41 PM

no mastering except the volume.

Florya 03.05.2011 06:03 PM

no thank you.

Derek 03.05.2011 06:08 PM

I say we hand the entire project over to hevusa.

Surely he will allow us to properly represent our self-expression?

terminal pharmacy 03.05.2011 06:41 PM

so far most of you guys are saying no mastering besides the volume. volume levelling involves compression. so you either want it done or you don't. if you don't everyone should just go back noramlise their final stereo mixdown and send it to whomever is organising the thing.

hevusa 03.05.2011 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy
so far most of you guys are saying no mastering besides the volume. volume levelling involves compression. so you either want it done or you don't. if you don't everyone should just go back noramlise their final stereo mixdown and send it to whomever is organising the thing.


exactly.
and does everyone involved understand that if the "album" gets mastered everyone needs to resend "unmastered" files. probably not...

hevusa 03.05.2011 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
I say we hand the entire project over to hevusa.

Surely he will allow us to properly represent our self-expression?



your 2dB worth of dynamic range would still be intact. no worries.

Derek 03.05.2011 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy
so far most of you guys are saying no mastering besides the volume. volume levelling involves compression. so you either want it done or you don't. if you don't everyone should just go back noramlise their final stereo mixdown and send it to whomever is organising the thing.

How is changing the volume compression? Just wondering...

hevusa 03.05.2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
How is changing the volume compression? Just wondering...


you can make shit more quiet with one.

atsonicpark 03.05.2011 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
How is changing the volume compression? Just wondering...


Yeah, exactly, I mean I can see it making an impact if it's a huge volume change (which might be what he's referring to), but I don't think raising the volume 3 or 4% -- akin to raising the actual volume knob on a stereo -- is going to make any dramatic changes to the actual recording of a song, and the instruments therein.... actually, when I burn cd's on nero, it even has an option that says "make track volumes similiar" or whatever..

hevusa 03.05.2011 07:04 PM

my advice would be to just leave everyone's stuff alone that obviously home mastered. lightly master those who obviously didn't and call it good.

badabing, badaboom.

Genteel Death 03.05.2011 07:56 PM

The only track that needed a little work with the volume channels was SONIC GAIL's. I did it myself with her approval. Everything else seems decently recorded enough and doesn't sound bad when listened to in one go. Anyway, again: NO.

A Thousand Threads 03.05.2011 08:10 PM

No.

Genteel Death 03.05.2011 08:17 PM

If mastering is really needed, Mark, the partly deaf pensioner who lives 5 doors down from mine, expressed an interest in having a go. His favourite music is Tony Bennett and dresses sharply for the local Sunday karaoke.

_slavo_ 03.06.2011 03:13 AM

i don't care. so, no.

EVOLghost 03.06.2011 05:58 AM

Volume adjusting seems to be like the most appropriate thing to be handled. Unless specific artist request such a procedure to be done.

terminal pharmacy 03.06.2011 03:38 PM

forget about it

hevusa 03.06.2011 04:23 PM

seriously. this is a waste of "breath" Terminal.

krastian 03.06.2011 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
i don't care. so, no.

this

Glice 03.07.2011 03:02 AM

Wow. I'm genuinely surprised by the nos.

I'm an emphatic yes, having listened to it. But it looks like that's not going to be the majority opinion. Shame.

Inhuman 03.07.2011 03:11 AM

Why not just make two versions of it - one mastered and one unmastered? It'll keep everyone happy

Glice 03.07.2011 03:46 AM

I suspect if that was done, there'd be a preference for the 'mastered' one.

NB I'm getting increasingly concerned that it's the word 'master' which people are worrying about. No brick-walling.

SONIC GAIL 03.07.2011 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
The only track that needed a little work with the volume channels was SONIC GAIL's. I did it myself with her approval. Everything else seems decently recorded enough and doesn't sound bad when listened to in one go. Anyway, again: NO.


It's all good I have a shitty recording set up right now and just appreciate being included:D

StevOK 03.07.2011 11:28 AM

I'd like to hear one track done in both and see which I like better.

evollove 03.07.2011 01:42 PM

Mine sucks so bad it wouldn't matter.

Derek 03.07.2011 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevOK
I'd like to hear one track done in both and see which I like better.

You probably wouldn't hear the difference at all.

terminal pharmacy 03.07.2011 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
How is changing the volume compression? Just wondering...


This is for everyone Derek not just you.

Changing the volume isn't compression and not a single sentence like that was used.

To level the volumes of all tracks compression has to be used to control transient peaks so nothing passes above a certain threshold. This threshhold is generally -1db. This kind of compression does not mean brick wall limiting to make the whole thing louder.

It appears that 99.5% of the people on here think mastering is just brickwall limiting. This is quite simply not the case. There has been such debate about it on here and everyone knows exactly what they are talking about and everyone is an expert, so I doubt this compilation will sound any good except for the few people who know how to record their shit.

I was up for doing the mastering but now I simply couldn't give a fuck at all. Don't care if it sounds shithouse or not.

Whomever is putting it together can just put it through Toast and level the volumes that way. Which by the way is a compression algorithm.

Derek 03.07.2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by you
volume levelling involves compression.

Is changing the volume and levelling the volume 2 different things? Either way, this thread is silly and Gab should have done what he wanted with the comp on his own terms and no one would have complained from either side.

terminal pharmacy 03.07.2011 05:40 PM

Yes

Changin the volume and levelling the volume across a whole group of tracks are different things.

Changin the volume is just pulling the masters up or down. Levelling is part of the mastering process.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
Is changing the volume and levelling the volume 2 different things? Either way, this thread is silly and Gab should have done what he wanted with the comp on his own terms and no one would have complained from either side.


Genteel Death 03.09.2011 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek
Is changing the volume and levelling the volume 2 different things? Either way, this thread is silly and Gab should have done what he wanted with the comp on his own terms and no one would have complained from either side.

The idea was Glice's, do your whinging to him. I don't care about the mastering this much. Quality of the music surely should be a priority in all this?

terminal pharmacy 03.09.2011 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Quality of the music surely should be a priority in all this?


No point in good music with crap representation. That is all.

Genteel Death 03.10.2011 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy
No point in good music with crap representation. That is all.

Yeah, right.

Derek 03.10.2011 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Genteel Death
The idea was Glice's, do your whinging to him. I don't care about the mastering this much. Quality of the music surely should be a priority in all this?

I'm not "whinging" at all.

Genteel Death 03.10.2011 02:18 PM

Whichever the case, and judging from those who voted on this thread, there won't be any mastering. The sooner we get this thing finished and over with the better.

Diesel 03.28.2011 06:20 AM

I like my toast well done with half a knob of butter. cheers

Glice 03.28.2011 06:42 AM

I'll knob your butter.

Diesel 03.28.2011 07:07 AM

YUMY !!

terminal pharmacy 03.29.2011 01:28 AM

this thing finished yet, i want to hear it. i know there are some talented people here so hurry up and get it done.


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