Chavs: the new blacks.
 

I hate the word 'chav'. And how reassuring that a middle-class journalist has articulated my feelings for me.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/revie...858942,00.html

Oh spookie,i live in Whitechapel now.It's chavland here!

How many times do i have to whore myself until fishy gets more rep?

haha.I don't have a problem with chavs as such pookie.Only when they block the entry door at shops.My ex is an art school chav or,as i call him normally,a well read Vicky Pollard.

He's more twat than chav,that one.

Porky, you are a snob, admit it.

I love Jimmy McGovern's description of 'latte-drinking, pesto-eating middle-class' TV executives.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...859384,00.html

thankfully there are no chavs here in berlin, there is not even an equivelant!

http://www.fat-pie.com/chavs.htm

Come on, there must be ONE other working-class person here. I'm off to the Justin Timberlake discussion board, there'll be plenty there.

Erm....not at all spookie.Of course i drink latte and eat pesto.....i am from Italy!But then i can't get enough of fish and chips either.What do you make of that?Everybody is fine by me and,actually,some of my favourite types of people are council estate girls with a mouth.I get your point,though,working class types are terribly patronized in England.It's almost as if you have to go to public school to be a cultured person wich i think is total bullshit.I'm from a working class background myself but that hasn't affected my thirst for knowledge in the slightest.It's a vile steriotype that the working classes get,that of being worthless and only trouble-making.

i would consider myself working class if i could be bothered to stay sober and clean enough to sign on.

I think the point also is that it's become more and more prevalent and acceptable to stereotype a whole group of people and it's rarely questioned.

And the use of the word chav has played a huge role in this lately. It's a way for the predominantly middle-class media to dismiss a huge part of the population in one easy-to-use, but largely meaningless, word.

Another middle-class journalist to better express this:

"...I stand up for chavs — on the basis that the white indigenous English working-class is now the one group you can insult without feeling the breath of the Commission for Racial Equality on your neck, which makes it pretty damn cowardly."

How long have you been in England Porky? I always thought you were just of Italian descent.

Council estate? Stop it with your big words. I'm a snob but I come from the most terribly hick and un-snobby town ever.

Absolutely!In my experience the England that you read about and the one that DOES really exist are two distinctively different things.Some working class people are ignorant but that's through no fault of their own.Look around,though,and you'll see that there is plenty of talented and cultured types in this most vilified of classes.The problem in England lies a lot with the press(not all of it,obviously) for these distorted views.It's been a tradition since the dawn of the industrial revolution that of putting one person against the other through the press.If you read some vintage articles written at the time when,say, there was a big influx of irish people entering this country you'll notice how sense of humor(to name one) was used to stir trouble between english and irish workers.The target has now changed,obviously,but for the most part that sort of thing still happens to an extent.

12 years and counting.

"However, she said she found Vicky Pollard hilarious, adding that it was important to remember that it tended to be middle-class, politically correct people who expressed outrage about such issues. 'Vicky Pollard is a caricature. It is comedy, and in the same way that when John Reid made his comment about smoking being one of the few luxuries working-class people enjoyed, it was the politically correct left-wing liberal middle classes who expressed outrage."

I think there's some truth in that as well.

I know it's stating the obvious, but there are talented, clever, funny people from all walks of life. I'm not an inverted snob by any means, I just object to being given a view of the world that is based on the views of a particular section of society.

12 years? You must LOVE it here.

12 years? You must LOVE it here.[/quote]

he just loves the builders.

he just loves the builders.[/quote]
haha

.....and the chavs obviously!

What's not to love?

 

he just loves the builders.[/quote]

ha ha! and the rugby players eh Porkie? Lawerance Dalliglio and the likes

haha.I don't go for specific types THAT MUCH!!

[quote=Pookie]I know it's stating the obvious, but there are talented, clever, funny people from all walks of life. I'm not an inverted snob by any means, I just object to being given a view of the world that is based on the views of a particular section of society.


Yes of course,that'd be like saying that one should have only gay friends because they are gay themselves:ridiculous!But have you ever imagined if the dominant worldview was that of trannies?How interesting would that be?I can see this thread degenerating to new depths of disgrace.

Oh,PLEASE!!!

i hate chavs, and hate the word chav too.
before this big frenzy of chav this chav that, i already hated them. we call them scallys, always did, and they are are a contributing factor to me spending as little time as possible in england, im not really scared of them, i just fucking hate them, hate their ignorance and the fucking proudness they have in their ignorance. also that their favorite hobby is to fuck with other people for no reason, and only when they are in a big gang, so you cant give the little fuckers a smack.
i feel like taxi driver when im in birmingham, surounded by scum behaving as bad as they want with no intervention. i feel so different when im abroad, calm.
im fairly tolerant, and i never had anything against a group of people before (except i kind of dont like the police, thru various personal experiences from both sides of the fence) but chavs are the lowest of the low and they take up most of my hate.
i worry my chain of thought might be bordering on fascist here, but i try to justify it to myself that they are the fascists who cant let people be.
am i being too harsh? does anyone who lives outside of london in a smaller city or town have any comment? am i on my own here or does someone else hate them with as much passion as i?

Mmmm...I think you've got anger issues.

Who are 'they' you keep talking about.

- I did say I was stating the obvious.

Anyway, I vote for letting this thread degenerate to new depths of disgrace.

New uniforms are being introduced where I work:

 

Is that you in your avatar porky? You suit Burberry very well. Incidentally, I come from the town where Thomas Burberry had his first shop, therefore I feel more qualified than most to talk about chavs.

Nah,he's a random google chav.Love the new uniforms!

I go to art college and went to public school! Eat that!
The last thing I am is a snob though. What vexes me are the middle class people who like to act like they are working class.

yes, thats what im afraid of. i may have anger issues. but its only these people that piss me off.
by "they" i mean the kids who seem to live to fuck with other people. the ones who for something to do, will ride the bus and try to pick fights, make a scene, test how far they can go before someone tells them to shut the fuck up and then they create some stand off to test who is the "bigger man" by making the other back down first. it wouldnt make me so angry if it wasnt so common.
i really dont believe it has much to do with class. these people are everywhere, from all walks of life. i know people who are very intelligent who try to act dumb and ignorant because it helps them fit in with the culture of idiots that they hang out with. it seems for alot of people that its the "in" thing to do.
pookie, where are you from? or where do you live?
i think the smaller the place, the worse it is. in my experience, london isnt as bad for this kind of thing because there are alot of different people there....it being the caplital and all. smaller cities and towns have more scallys, and they have a bit more bottle.
im sure i have anger issues here. but seriously, its just this one type of person that makes me this mad. i feel surounded by them when im at home. i also think that alot of decent people are too scared to put them in their place, which also makes me angry, although i totaly understand the feeling of not wanting to get involved.

I still don't know what Chavs are.

Look at my avatar while i look outside my window Hayden.My house is surrounded by them.haha

He looks like a cunt. We don't have them in the states.

Exactly my point. So why use words like 'chav' that draw in a whole section of society.


I live in a place full of 'chavs' and it's a place where I don't into town at night because of the aggressive atmosphere, not to mention fights, broken bottles and vomit. But the two things are not necessarily related.

The two issues of snobbery and the fact that we're living in a violent society are separate issues.

"Chav is a slang term in wide use throughout the United Kingdom since 2004.

It refers to a subcultural stereotype of people fixated on fashions such as flashy "bling" jewelery (Generally fake gold) , and genuine (rarely seen on chavs) or knock-off (more likely to be seen) designer clothing with the beige Burberry pattern (most famously the baseball cap which has since been discontinued by the company)..." etc.

What, cunts?