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gmku 09.06.2006 11:16 AM

I can't stand "indie rock"
 
Today's incarnation of it, anyway. It's so whiny. And mainstream-pop sounding.

I think there's good underground stuff going on, but man, this popular indie rock crap is crap.

porkmarras 09.06.2006 11:27 AM

I must be so ahead of my time then.

sonicl 09.06.2006 03:30 PM

What bands are you referring to gmku?

gmku 09.06.2006 03:37 PM

New Pornographers
Arcade Fire
The Shins
Broken Social Scene

among others

sandwich mulroney 09.06.2006 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Today's incarnation of it, anyway. It's so whiny. And mainstream-pop sounding.

I think there's good underground stuff going on, but man, this popular indie rock crap is crap.


Damn, what a whiny pussy.

Also, your grandkids stopped by and asked me to remind you or your nursing home to take your medication at 8am, 4pm and midnight.

gmku 09.06.2006 03:38 PM

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Hilarious. just fucking hilarious.

TheDom 09.06.2006 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sandwich mulroney
Damn, what a whiny pussy.

Also, your grandkids stopped by and asked me to remind you or your nursing home to take your medication at 8am, 4pm and midnight.


oh snap, cracka!

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 03:41 PM

i don't like it, but i don't have anything against people who do.

touch me i'm sick 09.06.2006 03:43 PM

no yeah i get what you mean gmku

and i totally agree with you. most of it i jsut can't stand partly because it's jsut a bunch of hipster bitches claiming they are cool..... but they're jsut trend whores

Trasher02 09.06.2006 03:48 PM

Indie 4 LAIFE

lol

TheDom 09.06.2006 03:48 PM

i heart scene

nicfit 09.06.2006 03:48 PM

wise statement.lilly.
ha ha,that (mine) sentence feels like something jessica lansbury (sp?) would say.

matt g 09.06.2006 03:51 PM

take that, hipsters

PAULYBEE2656 09.06.2006 03:53 PM

arcade fire are real good band but i know what gmku is getting at. the wave of radio acceptable "indie" style guitar rock is annoying.

just gimme indie rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob Instigator 09.06.2006 04:19 PM

Bloc Party suck

gmku 09.06.2006 04:21 PM

Yeah, Bloc Party's on my bad list, too. Along with Clap Your Hands...

LNC 09.06.2006 04:22 PM

Only annoying indie is NME indie! This nme-next-big-thing-holly-grail went out of control a year or two ago and it looks like that they have some kind of "the______s" hive hidden somewhere in case this post-punk-revival glorification lingers on. And they all sound the same. Now, that's boring! Shins, Arcade, BSC & Pornographers are kind of radio frendly virgin indie, but still better then Paddingtons, Nine black alps, Cribs & Rakes...

!@#$%! 09.06.2006 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Today's incarnation of it, anyway. It's so whiny. And mainstream-pop sounding.

I think there's good underground stuff going on, but man, this popular indie rock crap is crap.


fuck yes. the other day i was in a waiting room and they were playing it. it was like country music strewn with 90's musical cliches. then i found out it was a christian station (double the annoyance). but it all sounds the same anyway.

screamingskull 09.06.2006 05:12 PM

When people in my town talk about 'indie' music they dont meen bands that are on an indipendant label, they meen bands that sound a certain way. one of my friends was talking about this the other day, he was saying "im just sick of emo kids, from now on im indie" i asked what music he liked and he answered " The Kaiser Cheifs, the babyshambles, razorlight" and a whole bunch of other shit english bands Non of which are on indipendant labels.

Indie has lost all meaning!

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingskull
When people in my town talk about 'indie' music they dont meen bands that are on an indipendant label, they meen bands that sound a certain way. one of my friends was talking about this the other day, he was saying "im just sick of emo kids, from now on im indie" i asked what music he liked and he answered " The Kaiser Cheifs, the babyshambles, razorlight" and a whole bunch of other shit english bands Non of which are on indipendant labels.

Indie has lost all meaning!

anyone who brands themselves as being anything might have some issues to work through.

screamingskull 09.06.2006 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
anyone who brands themselves as being anything might have some issues to work through.


oh everyone here does, its like the second thing people ask you!, "hi whats your name?........so what are you?...emo/metal head/rocker/indie/goth?"

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by screamingskull
oh everyone here does, its like the second thing people ask you!, "hi whats your name?........so what are you?...emo/metal head/rocker/indie/goth?"

that's terrible.
where is the "none of the above" option?

Danny Himself 09.06.2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
that's terrible.
where is the "none of the above" option?


It doesn't exist. Thats just what england is like. It's worse where I am though, where I am generally asked 'are you a goth or are you normal like me'.

k-krack 09.06.2006 05:20 PM

it doesn't really get to me much, i happen to love all of the bands ya mentioned, gmku, especially BSS and the Arcade Fire, as much as some of the people who listen to it may be lame, i don't give a shit, i tihnk the music is awesome. i like Bloc Party too. think what you will.

baby bulldog 09.06.2006 05:22 PM

Don't all the bands you listed have major distribution deals? True independent art is crafted in basements and bedrooms and distributed through word of mouth and great gigs.The bands you list seem to be on some wanna be roster of alternative...which just means they wanna turn a profit...even tho their tunage I would agree does blow,they stick to a national sound format of whiny,tuneless crap.Just watch any TV commercial,it's the now sound.

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny Himself
It doesn't exist. Thats just what england is like. It's worse where I am though, where I am generally asked 'are you a goth or are you normal like me'.

yet another reason not to move to england.

Danny Himself 09.06.2006 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
yet another reason not to move to england.


Never move here. Please.

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 05:27 PM

your country would be a shambles if i did.

DJ Rick 09.06.2006 05:30 PM

Some of those bands that were implicated earlier are on an independent label in the U.K., but a major label in the States. "Indie" status aside, those bands are certainly over-hyped unnecessarily and undeservingly, and that is really why you hate them.

Quite like the phrase folk music when it became genre-fied in the 60's--thus excluding over half of the music from the American Anthology of Folk Music from the increasingly accepted definition of folk in America--the word indie has become tantamount to a genre-descriptive, whereas, like folk, it's historical definition has been to define the mode or process by which a wide stylistic variety of music is created.

But to get to really bent about mainstream media and ad execs hijacking a word and polluting its definition....that's really just a waste of time. There's no undoing the damage. The definiton changed for emo and hardcore, too, and enjoyment of hip hop no longer requires livin' the lifestyle like it did 20 years ago. Short of writing the proper definition in the best selling book of all time, no person can make it pure again.

tw2113 09.06.2006 06:13 PM

this is something I've been thinking for like half a year. To me, "indie" has become a genre as opposed to a level in the tiers of "music business" if you will. I know a lot of people shudder at the words "music business", and think they are outside that circle, but they're just fools.

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 09.06.2006 06:22 PM

I don't like how there is a genre of music called indie rock, becuz if yr in an independant rock band then all of a sudden(sp?) you're no good.

porkmarras 09.06.2006 06:29 PM

I CAN'T STAND INDIE ROCK

Yeah i can't stand it,i can't stand it,I CAN'T STAND IT!But then......why do i listen to it?Why do i think of it?Why do i bother?It's ok,indie rock.I can't stand you so therefore i'll ignore you.Good luck.

Everyneurotic 09.06.2006 07:19 PM

i hardly think of genres or scenes, i sometimes happen to like bands that are scene and lumped with a lot of crap which i find surprising (like the shins or the arcade fire, for example). i sort of always felt it was fucked that indie music like pavement, dinosaur, cat power, etc. up to the shins and the arcade fire was poppy and slick-produced, i thought that indie music was supposed to be noise and ugly and hard to swallow!! now i appreciate them for what they are, poppy and nice and shit, it's cool, just not made to stay indie.

i don't like those b52's rip offs (new pornographers), those belle and sebastian rip offs (bss) or those...well...completely horrific shit that's crap your hands say hurl.

k-krack 09.06.2006 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic


a) the shins and the arcade fire was poppy and slick-produced,

b) don't like those b52's rip offs (new pornographers),

c) those belle and sebastian rip offs (bss)

d) or those...well...completely horrific shit that's crap your hands say hurl.


a) what?! have you listened to the arcade fire!? you can hear his fingers sliding on the gtr, maing that "wwaeee" noise. now, if you call that "slick produced," then ok.. but thats an odd definition. i really fail to see what you mean there. the shins, maybe, but then again, i don't really care for them. but the arcade fire, not a chance.

b) nor do i. they annoy me.

c) what?! are you sure about that?! i hear no real B&S similarites, at least not enough to be called a rip-off. plus, BSS' first album was an electronic-y ambient album. getcher facts man.

d) yeh.. they are a snooze.

Everyneurotic 09.06.2006 10:43 PM

the arcade fire is a band that HAS to be produced slickly in order to capture all the instruments they use (same case with neutral milk hotel or sufjan stevens, for instance); also, i meant slick production values for underground music, not by mainstream standards, it's certainly more hi fi than hair police, no neck blues band or the goslings, which are kinda what i had in mind.

i don't know the history of bss but i saw them open for dinosaur jr last year and they did strike me as a boring belle and sebastian knock off, lots of people onstage with a girl singer besides the male guys doing cutesy pop songs and sometimes playing trumpets and stuff...it seemed very b&s to me, i haven't heard their first album though; i tried getting into them so much but i really don't see why people like them at all.

hey alex 09.06.2006 10:49 PM

I think Indie, to many, is more of a genre and not a degree of siad band's label stance. MOst assume will mean your pitchfork regulars or garden variety garden state soundtrack bands. It was about this time that indie was given a shot to attention because the shins were damn good (hey, that first album is good). Ima ramble, fuck my point/.

Cantankerous 09.06.2006 10:52 PM

not to worry, i'm gathering up my hoodlum friends in new york and starting a new scene.
we'll be nihilists and live in the east village.
hey, it'll be just like...

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 09.06.2006 11:54 PM

Indie rock now a days is so slick and corporate sounding as well as looking.

_slavo_ 09.07.2006 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
New Pornographers
Arcade Fire
The Shins
Broken Social Scene

among others


I wouldn't agree with Broken Social Scene and New Pornographers, gmku.
I think these two bands can throw some neat-ass tunes and are generally more than amusing to me.

Arcade Fire, The Shins, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah!, Decemberists, Bright Eyes, etc, on the other hand, are just a pile of bull shit.

porkmarras 09.07.2006 04:08 AM

Broken Social Scene are appaling both on record and live.They'll go away soon,trust me.For the time being,indie or nor indie they're here so let's live with them.


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