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Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 12:17 AM

What kind of communist are you?
 
I feel most drawn to the independant streak of anarcho communism.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:12 AM

Communism is a failed system just like the hippies.

A Thousand Threads 09.27.2006 01:26 AM

anarcho communist?

what the fuck are you talking about?
please explain that to me.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:42 AM

ok, I typed out a definition like three times, but I'll just go with wikipedia

Anarchist communism is a form of anarchism that advocates the abolition of the State and capitalism in favor of a horizontal network of voluntary associations through which everyone will be free to satisfy his or her needs.
Anarchist communism is also known as anarcho-communism, communist anarchism, or, sometimes, libertarian communism. However, while all anarchist communists are libertarian communists, some libertarian communists, such as council communists, are not anarchists. What distinguishes anarchist communism from other variants of libertarian communism is the former's opposition to all forms of political power, hierarchy and domination.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:47 AM

What the fuck does that mean, it is like saying I am a hipster or some bullshit like that.

A Thousand Threads 09.27.2006 01:48 AM

ok

i´m more of an anarcho-syndicalist

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:49 AM

I said McCarthy type, cause I think you are the goverment, I am just paranoid.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads
ok

i´m more of an anarcho-syndicalist


yeah, me too, but this is a thread about communism.

you read any noam chomsky?

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:50 AM

NO I don't think Communism works, it is a failed system if you really think about it.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
I said McCarthy type, cause I think you are the goverment, I am just paranoid.

I'm on the pavement

A Thousand Threads 09.27.2006 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Radioactive Poltergeist
yeah, me too, but this is a thread about communism.

you read any noam chomsky?


nope
I read Bakunin and Kropotkin at the moment
after this i´m going to read some of Emma Goldmann´s work

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Radioactive Poltergeist
I'm on the pavement


thinking about the goverment.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
NO I don't think Communism works, it is a failed system if you really think about it.

ok cool. what kind of communist are you?

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:53 AM

I said More of a McCarthy type.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:54 AM

oh yeah

static-harmony 09.27.2006 01:54 AM

Yeah, down with the communist trying to destroy our way of life.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A Thousand Threads
nope
I read Bakunin and Kropotkin at the moment
after this i´m going to read some of Emma Goldmann´s work

Bakunin made some scarily accurate predictions when you apply them to the Bolshevik revolution.

I cant find any of his books though, I've only read what I've found on the internet

Static Harmony, McCarthy was a cunt, you shouldn't have picked him.

A Thousand Threads 09.27.2006 02:00 AM

 


http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:01 AM

I know he was a cunt, and a idiot, but I disagree with communism.And since there were no other options I chose him.

porkmarras 09.27.2006 02:02 AM

Giving Leninism and Marxism as two different options is enough to throw you into a cold cell with no food or water till you implore but then you look at an option like anarchic communism and think to yourself:'Perhaps i should throw away the key and forget he's locked in there'.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:04 AM

I wish people would just stop worrying about systems of goverment and live freely.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Giving Leninism and Marxism as two different options is enough to throw you into a cold cell with no food or water till you implore but then you look at an option like anarchic communism and think to yourself:'Perhaps i should throw away the key and forget he's locked in there'.


not true. Lenin altered Marxism quite a bit. The idea of a vanguard party, NEP, etc.

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
I wish people would just stop worrying about systems of goverment and live freely.


Thats why I'm an anarchist

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:06 AM

I always thought them the same Lenin and Marx

_slavo_ 09.27.2006 02:09 AM

I'm no fucking type of communist.
It's been enough for me to live 10 years under communist regime.
I just love these Che-loving threads.

porkmarras 09.27.2006 02:09 AM

Oh really?You're sure not talking about taking marxism to its logical,practical conclusions?What's eurocommunism for crying out loud?

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:09 AM

nah, Lenin had to adapt Marxist principles because they were in Russia and not some highly industrialized country that Marx called for.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:10 AM

Anarchism is also a failed system, it just won't work when you have no rules.

edit*** I know I contradicted myself with the last post, but you also need rules to live better.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by _slavo_
I'm no fucking type of communist.
It's been enough for me to live 10 years under communist regime.
I just love these Che-loving threads.

This isn't a particularly che loving thread man. i'm not some idiot authoritarian

_slavo_ 09.27.2006 02:11 AM

no big deal then

Katy 09.27.2006 02:12 AM

Anarchist Communism

Council Communism

Eurocommunism

Marxism

Leninism

Maoism

Stalinism

Titoism

Trotskyism

McCarthyism

and how about one more for good luck?

Christian Communism

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
Anarchism is also a failed system, it just won't work when you have no rules.

Firstly, anarchism requires rules. Most people think it means some kind of chaos, but thats not true, it just calls for the deconstruction of power and institutions.

Secondly, it's not all that failed. The only time there has been anything close to an anarchist state was in Spain just before the civil war, around Barcelona I think. Orwell visited the communities and described a free, well functioning society. The Americans, British and Germans then destroyed them.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:14 AM

You know why communism doesn't work it is because, they won't do trade unless it is with themselves. This brings us back to tribalism and that stuff. It moves us backwards instead of foward.

porkmarras 09.27.2006 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Radioactive Poltergeist
nah, Lenin had to adapt Marxist principles because they were in Russia and not some highly industrialized country that Marx called for.


That's enough to prove that all the dogmatic connotations associated with marxism are the very same rubbish that they are never said to be.And Lenin WAS a marxist!

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Radioactive Poltergeist
Firstly, anarchism requires rules. Most people think it means some kind of chaos, but thats not true, it just calls for the deconstruction of power and institutions.


But what kind of institutions do you put up, when someone gets out of line? you know murder's or rapes whatever.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
That's enough to prove that all the dogmatic connotations associated with marxism are the very same rubbish that they are never said to be.And Lenin WAS a marxist!

Yeah, except there were differences because Marx was purely theoretical and Lenin had to carry it out. Obviously there is a lot of bullshit in Marx and he had to change some things and pretty much turned Russia into a dictatorship, there in lies the difference.

I am neither Marxist or Leninist or anything like that, because I think that they are just toally flawed as an ideologie(s).

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by static-harmony
But what kind of institutions do you put up, when someone gets out of line? you know murder's or rapes whatever.

well, institutions would exist such as police and the army in my mind, except there wouldn't be any single institution with large amounts of power to weild them as they wish. Descisions would lie with the public, not parties or leaders. Like, coordination would be carried out a group of people elected by the people.

Look, you have to realise that this is really not something I believe will happen for a very very long time, so I believe you have to look towards slow political reform, not some stupid ass revolution.

static-harmony 09.27.2006 02:26 AM

All that you just said now sounds like democracy, people vote for who could represent them and do the job of the people. I do see that now there is hardly any of this but yes. I think you just gave reasons for democracy.

Radioactive Poltergeist 09.27.2006 02:40 AM

Yeah, and I don't think that there is any country in the world that has actual democracy, and that actually gives a fuck about the people

wax 09.27.2006 05:36 AM

its all very nice and all, but it aint gonna happen.
it doesnt work.
there are always greedy trecharous bastards that will take power and put an end to your fairytale.
those with no morals will always outsneak you.
forget it and have as much fun in your short time in capitalism as you can.

Hip Priest 09.27.2006 05:56 AM

I could never be any kind of communist. Or any kind of socialist, for that matter.


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