Attention Non-White People: Barack Obama? HAHAHAHAHA
 

Really? So American politics are even more racially divided in during the era of Reconstruction? Since the GOP has decided to just roll the dice on an all-white interest platform, it looks like Obama has gone the opposite, and is pandering to the all-non-white (and "liberal" white) sector. What a crock of shit! Ask the Black Caucus, what has the first black president done for black folks? Aside from symbolism, NOTHING! What has the first democratic, labor oriented president done for the common worker? NOTHING! What has a Nobel Peace prize winning president done to end the war(s)? NOTHING! Fuck that, and fuck them! I can only support Mr. Obama because the opposition is so vitriolically and obviously racist, that I want nothing to do with them. But the Democrats are feeling spoiled, and since they know its like the novel 1984, they don't have to do anything for people, they just have to play good cop to the Republican bad cop. This makes the Democrats AS racist if not MORE so than the Republicans, because at least the GOP is obvious about it. When the Democrats pander to "minorities" and yet do NOTHING to pursue theirs and our interests, that is the same empty racism that the other guys are offering. What has the President done exactly? Bailed out the big banks, caved on healthcare reform to give us the bullshit Newt Gingrich plan from 1995, has continued these ugly and self-defeating Bush Tax cuts, DEPORTED ALMOST 2 MILLION PEOPLE (!!!), done NOTHING for Immigration reform, an alas, the War(s) carry on as ever...

Great haircut, terrible policy.



Fuck these assholes, fuck those assholes.. vote for yourself ;)

obama has apparently imprisoned more migrant\undocumented workers than any other president before him.
not to mention his excessive us of drone attacks to kill people
yay democracy!

But he did close guantanamo....oh....

While still coherent and moderately persuasive, I'm not quite sure who looked more confused and bewildered, pimpin Bill Clinton or Clint Eastwood.

so pathetic fighting over who is more pro-israel instead of making policies that would actually change anything. the dems are almost as useless and dangerous as the republicans.

I have serious misgivings over ANY vote that's cast using a fucking applause-o-meter.

Should we choose our elected representatives based upon the size of their vocal cords? Fucking barbarian shit.

This isn't really happening. I am still asleep.

I love you, but this statement is unqualified hyperbole.

Besides, what ever happened to my beloved separation of church and state??

the policy that americans shold make that would e most beneficial would be to to stop being so pro israel, to stop giving 3 billion dollars a year in aid to the crimnal israeli army, to stop recognizing occupied jerusalem as israel's capital. . .

obama started out in the right direction but then saw how strong the pro israel forces are so he and the dems started battling it out with he rebublicans who is more pro-israel rather than actually trying to solve any of the issues here.

Israel is a secular republic, what exactly does G-d have to do with any of this?


Now you've seen the Light

I take it you don't think we should control our borders?

This Forbes article is interesting, it shows the Fed budget under Obama grew less than any other president recently, and the year of its largest growth was actually the budget inherited from the Bush admin.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/

The borders are secure enough. Statistically the US border is quite literally one of the safest places in the country! Further, there is a large enough police and military presence there as it is, please explain to me just exactly how the borders are NOT already controlled? Further, please explain to me what legalizing millions of undocumented folks has to do with security?

By the way, I see yet again that Pimpin Bill Clinton can swoon all the ladies at the Gynocratic..er Democratic National Convention ;)

And what exactly does an ancient and potentially mythical people of Israel have to with the contemporary, secular country today? To assert such a claim would be like me to pretend I am some how French because thousands of years ago some of my theoretical ancestors lived there. Those folks in the Bible were called Israelites, and they are about 2600 years removed from the folks today called Israelis ;)

That is a matter of interpretation, but historicity and archaeology suggest otherwise. Further, I'm a very religious man, but religious texts and faith don't often make good criteria for defining political boundaries and dictating national policy.

Yes, but you realize many Christians would suggest that you are on the flat side of the argument right?

"Just take two tax cuts and some deregulation and call me in the morning." fucking hilarous. Hey Barack, if that is the case, why did YOU let the Bush Tax cuts continue unabated ;)

these guys are such terrible liars, seriously!

oh brother, let me catch you up on last year's news. the president had to concede to an extension to the bush tax cust so the teabagger congress would let him extend unemployment and increase the debt ceiling in exchange. where do you get this fantasy that the president rules at will? he's not an absolute monarch and per the us constitution congress has the power of the purse.

How cute, that asshole with the fly hair cut got you apologizing for him too?

Just admit it, the brotha sold you out for the Tax Cuts, period. By Executive authority he could have pushed legislation top-down through the Senate and then the begrudging Congress, and if Congress rejected it, brought back through the Senate, forced a 2/3 majority vote and then signed it as President ;)

i'm not apologizing, i'm pissed at his policy of domestic spying and detention without trials, but unlike the old ethiopia 'merica is not a monarchy and POWER IS NEGOTIATED, the world is a very complex place, and nothing is black or white except for the moral fantasies of those unsullied by experience.

Unsullied by experience? Haha, you're funny how you take this shit so seriously that you'd accuse me of nonsense like that!!


I believe you mistake my assertions. (a) ask all those dead folks killed by American military and foreign spending just how not Imperial the US president is, they might have a bone to pick with you about that..

(b) I have no faith, trust, or hope in the president, period. Power is negotiated? True. But like we in Rastafari say, "Too many Ginals at the bargain.. too many rats.. too many thieves.. Honestly my brother, the Democrats have fooled the college educated folks because sometimes we over think it, sometimes we have just enough hope and intellectual capacity invested in this game, we just wishful thinking will it towards the truth, but we all know its not. Barack Obama is a bitch, plain and simple. So was Pimpin Bill Clinton, and any other duppie president they tried to pander to we folks to believe they believe in us. Those assholes are about one thing, making they money. If you fuck with they money, they will fuck you. So lets not get caught up in this political blame game of scape-goating the problem onto the opposition, as if it were magically just the Republicans fault. Even in a perfect world, assuming the politics are real and true, then the president still failed because as a leader he should have pushed those assholes. Just saying ,"I tried and they didn't listen" is not enough. Could I do that in my classroom? Say, well I tried to teach my students, but they just weren't interested in the lecture so its their fault. No. bullshit.. We all know that as the leader of that classroom, that would be my fault, and as the leader of these Amerikkkan united states the President should be held equally accountable. I am not like the Republicans trying to pretend he didn't lead, no, I saw him give speeches about those issues almost daily, I saw him in meetings and all that blah blah woof woof bullshit.. however, again, clearly that wasn't enough, and he needed to to more according to the necessity of the circumstance. I would cry conspiracy and say that the president WANTED those tax cuts, WANTED a weakened, pro-business healthcare reform, WANTED a pretend Wall Street regulation reform, WANTED to carry on with the War(s) as ever, but also WANTS us to believe that he doesn't.

THANK YOU! Somebody who seems to have a basic grasp of politics.

Oh and Don't you boys know nothing? - The USA's the center of Jerusalem.

haha.. I see they've fooled you too :(

Lord have His mercy

Is that a reference to the first post then please go on and enlighten. If it's a reference to the second line then *facepalm*.

"Speaking to Fox News on Friday, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said he did not mention the war in Afghanistan during his convention speech because he doesn’t think it’s important, even though more than 2,100 American soldiers have fought and died there."

..and the fucking billions and billions of dollars that have been thrown away there...

Tesla in relevant and salient point shocker!

What's your experience with politics besides the internet? Zero. Your naivety is absolute. So life doesn't fit your expectations: Planet Earth says hello.

Sure, we all know there are crooks in politics, we don't need rastafarians to tell us that, but why the need to state the obvious? Human life is a fucking gory mess, no use in turning up your nose and feign disgust.

For some real world experience, try serving some time in your local School Board or some other organization of dissimilar individuals (like a touring, working band). If you can be as holy and compassionate and pure as you want our leaders to be, and have no enemies, and never have to compromise, it means you probably accomplished nothing. Quitters get to remain pure for life.

Mr expletives is unequivocally correct. Unwavering cynicism towards politicians is the most orthodox position anyone can take, you have to be able to step back and give decent people credit when they enter politics and genuinely make the world a better place

Haha, you honestly believe that don't you? Whatever floats your boat my brother, but you don't know me like that, and the internet can't tell you just exactly what I do and don't do outside of posting here, so please, back up with your silly assumptions, you are embarrassing yourself ;)

Oh, do you volunteer with the Obama campaign? Do you make phone-calls and go out there and register people to vote? Who is fooling who about being naive then?

Broham, I am a school teacher, suggesting I don't about school board meetings or local politics is just about as absurd as believing the president actually cares about you ;)

Who said anything about quitting just because I am a political nihilist? Just because I don't tangibly support political parties, doesn't mean I am not involved in aspects of the political process, however, again, I don't believe in this bogus imaginary democracy in the first place, so I hardly would waste my time encouraging people to support politicians. Rather, I daily engage in all members of my community, from the water-cooler to the corner store, to become aware, and to become involved at a grass-roots level. Campaigning for Obama is a lot different than working with your local foodbank, homeless shelter, non-profit gang program, or local community outreach. Like I said, who is fooling who about naive when folks like you may be wasting so much of their effort on silly and divisive things like political campaigns. I am far too critical of ANY sitting president to embarrass myself by joining in their little game of song and dance. fuck that, vote for yourself, vote for your community, advocate, organize, but voting is for pussies. By the way, you realize that essentially you just told me the old school Reagan racist right wing philosophy of "love it or leave it" and "if you don't like it leave" politics! So if I don't support one party or another I am some how not American enough for ya? What a joke ;)

Suchy

Can you name some national/international political figures you admire, not as icons like Bobby Kennedy or Dr King, but as people who have toiled within the democratic system to make things better?

Absolutely none. Politic are a trap. I'm more about community activism and awareness, once you sell-out your own personal power and agency to the politicians you've not only lost the battle, you've given up on the war entirely and are POW to the shitstem. I am sorry to break it to some of y'all, but our political system is a total crock and lie. It always has been, always will be. I understand as folks get older, start families, get involved in their careers and paying their bills that they honestly, genuinely, and sincerely WANT TO BELIEVE in our politics, but believing doesn't make it reality. It is a waste of effort to participate in the political system and process, rather, folks like I said need to be more involved directly in their communities, in their after-school programs, in their gang and community outreach programs, at a grass-roots level. National politics is a gossipy distraction, and Mr. Obama is a lame attempt at "Feel Good" politics but entirely lacks any of the substance needed to actually change things. The folks in our societies that have done the most to change them, are those who worked largely OUTSIDE of the political process, because the political machinery only co-opts the movement, swallows it up alive, and crushes our bones in their gullets :(

Support your community directly, why waste your time with the President?

Well youve just proved !!!FF@@|| 's point. Removing yourself from wider activism because they dont understand where you are coming from, with your particular gripes, and your particular local issues, you end up sounding like a right wing isolationist - kinda like this guy



The fact that democratic politics corrupts is a given, I am fully aware of this, and in my previous post i gave three examples (two of which its entirely understandable that youve never heard of) of people who managed to transcend the imperfect system to achieve something.

My challenge to you is to move beyond the easy cynicism of the Ron Paul idiosphere

-Salvador Dali



Ikra, you do realize that there are other methods and mechanisms to organize and build community without necessarily having to participate with the current established political machinery and parties correct? See that is the whole problem, the political parties have mistakenly convinced people that theirs is the only channel for political activity and community building. Personally, I am not an isolationist neither an obstructionist neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I am not caught up in their game, I play outside the box. But !@#$%! is wrong to assert that just because I don't play the game he and so many others are playing, doesn't mean I am inexperienced, not involved, or hiding under a rock. If anything, I am insinuating that those folks who forgo their own agency to the political party structure and machinery are the ones hiding under the rock, that rock being the veiled imaginary efficacy of politics. Folks who believe that voting for politicians, working directly with their campaigns, registering people to vote, advocating about legislation, all that bullshit is not active in the community, is it copping out to the politicians and surrendering your own ability in hopes they will get the job done which is by definition better suited to be done on the streets, at a grassroots level. This is not necessarily to disrespect folks who believe in all that shit, but seriously, I can't for the life of me figure out why? I do indeed resent folks accusations that because I reject the current political machinery that I've somehow opted out of our society. Again, that is a reversed version of the ol' "Love it or leave it" mantra from racists and rednecks. That is such utter brainwashed bullshit I can't even laugh :/

it never occurs to suchfriends that a politician may "steal" to fund a high school band or an old folks home or a neighborhood clinic and not for his own benefit.

We can go back to Plato for good-enough reasons why democracy in general is stupid.

However, I've noticed that whenever suchandsuch a group overthrows their tyranical leadership, I never say to myself, "Man, I hope they set-up a monarchy. Or some sort of anarchist commune/nation." Nope. I'm always relieved once they get cracking at forming a parliment, drafting a constitution, and setting an election date.

alright, o holy one, so riddle me this shit: as a school teacher, you've never had to compromise in order to achieve something? i don't know-- do they make you teach a subject you don't believe in, or do something you don't like, but you do it anyway so you can do a greater good as a teacher?

On the subject of teachers; the ones in the UK have voted to strike, yet again, over the "erosion" of their pay and working conditions. Personally, I have no time for bong smoking, self-absorbed trotskyites who love nothing better than to brainwash children into becoming as psycho lefty as themselves.

I am not holy, I just refuse to say, "lets join one team because its a bit less evil than another." At the end of the day, I have to compromise every day out of Christian love to let folks grow in slow motion towards a truer community. Politics are centrifugal. That beings said, I am not John Boehner rejecting compromise, that catch us, I am not going to let vitriol to the right suddenly whitewash the sins of the left. Rather, myself, will wash my hands of the whole affair, and work more directly every day in the communities. I agree with the rights criticisms of teacher's unions, not because I disagree with the unions, unions are exactly the kind of grassroots organizations we should support and work with, however unions have become quite persuaded to bed with politicians. I'm not sure that is exactly the idea of a union in the first place ;) Should we suddenly throw out the unions as some scoundrels continually insist? God no. However, again, we need to more actively divorce ourselves from the political machinery and get back to work directly in our communities. Campaigning for a president and getting folks to register to vote may have a "feel good" effect, but at a very real level they are absolute theater, and lack any sort of power to effect actual change in our communities. We should take these same opportunities to advocate for actual change, at our local levels day to day. At a national level, we need to support a changing narrative and dialogue towards community, but we also need to not let that shit get us all disoriented. Assholes will be assholes, we got to learn to live with them, but that doesn't exactly mean we have to suddenly play for their team. Again, there are plenty of other ways to express political action and community building without having to join up directly with the established political machinery. I'm sorry if my facetious ranting has alienated some of y'all who believe in this political theater, but really, it should cause y'all to reflect on our system and think is it worth it to support this?

man that was a long repy to avoid telling me if you've had to compromise with points of view that are repugnant to you. if so, do you feel dirty? are you corrupted?

The question is, for working with the current political machinery as you've suggested do you? Again, I will reiterate one final time, changing our society is not about letting the political machinery co-opt our movements, rather, we can work outside of these to effect more direct change. I admit to demonizing the machine, but I feel it is appropriate, the machine has a lot of blood on its hands. Perhaps we can work with less sullied organizations and institutions day to day from a bottom-up approach?

what have you done, and how have you compromised? come on dude it's not like i'm asking you something you don't know. if you've done it, you know. just fucking tell us!

Suchy i would love to have a beer and an arguement with you in the real world, but at some point we have to transcend our bitterness and cynicism to vote in a practical world.

Of course there are non-political activists who make a huge difference
We have just seen an incredible example of this in the UK this week -

You wanna talk about police corruption, we've just had the biggest police cover up in the last 50 years come out over here

You might not know what that is, but its the equivolant of the Rodney King beating over here. Except 96 people fucking died. And the police are going to get torn to shreds, and rightly so