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There's nothing like living in the past.

Celebrate my punk roots by voting for the hardest of American hardcore from the early 1980's.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

NO!!!

Neglecting Damaged; In God We Trust, Inc.

Black Flag does it for me

Oh, I get it.
American.

At the time, I suppose I was the most infatuated with the Dead Kennedys and Suicidal Tendencies before they went metal.

I liked DOA best of all though, but they're Canadian.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Oh, I get it.
American.

At the time, I suppose I was the most infatuated with the Dead Kennedys and Suicidal Tendencies before they went metal.

I liked DOA best of all though, but they're Canadian.

It's easy to forget how good ST were, because they were good so briefly. By the time they released their debut LP the metal was beginning to show!

I don't know if I'd call DOA hardcore, but they were the dog's bollocks at the time.

"Bloodied But Unbowed" is hardcore to my ears.
Certainly not all their stuff is, though.

DRI always seemed cartoonish to me, even as a teen; they seemed to be doing the "speed for speed's sake" thing, and their songs just sounded like a mushy blob to me. Of course, they eventually crossed over to metal as well.

Damaged is the only Black Flag album I liked.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Damaged is the only Black Flag album I liked.

Have you heard The First Four Years? I like it more then Damaged.

I have, but it's the guitar sounds I can't stand with them.

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Originally Posted by Savage Clone

I have, but it's the guitar sounds I can't stand with them.

Really? I never noticed the guitars sounding much different from the ones on Damaged.

Black Flag weren't so great until Rollins joined. He gave them balls.

Up until then they were a run-of-the-mill punk band. The First Four Years is an interesting document, but nothing on it compares to Damaged or My War.

I just meant Black Flag in general. I think the thing with Damaged is that I heard it at "the right time," and now it reminds me of that time. I think I was 14.

I went with Minor Threat, easy. But I love Husker Du, Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys and Black Flag.

Yeah. I used to be more into Damaged, but lately I've been enjoying The First Four Years. Maybe it is the fact that it's less agressive sounding then Damaged. More 'run-of-the-mill'.

I like In My Head and Loose Nut the most but I guess it's not considered Hardcore.

What about this album?

No way is the first four years run of the mill. Nervous Breakdown, Wasted and Fix Me are fucked up! More fucked up than Damaged.

But I would have voted Void, The Adolescents, Negative Approach or the Misfits (early) above all of them. Or even the first Descendents album.

EDIT: Add Bad Brains to the list.

Has anybody else picked up the new Bad Brains DVD yet? It's so fucking good.

or what about the germs?

"Nervous Breakdown" is the only song on First Four Years that i really enjoy.

i voted for Black Flag. i got Damaged and Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables by the Dead Kennedys at the same time and i loved them both. that was three years ago and now FFfRV kinda bores me.

Out of these it's Minor Threat......Bad Brains are still number one for me though.

Husker Du, but Minor Threat and Black Flag were tempting

Black Flag - Damaged. When I first heard this album (I was maybe 12) it blew me away, I had been into the classics: Hendrix, Zeppelin, Floyd were the big three. Needless to say this album broke all barriers that the classic rock genre built for me, it made me re-think the way music could be played and it occured to me just how pure a record could sound.....

Fast-forward 11 years.....I still love this album and for something like hardcore/punk to stand the test of time like that is an achievement. Its easy to get burned out on the 80's hardcore music, not due to the quality but maybe more the monotony of most of it, let's face it few bands of that time really stick out as different sounding, in fact one could maybe name 8 or 10 out of the multitudes that put out records. To me, out of all those groups and all those albums this is definintely in the top 5, probably 1 or maybe 2.

An album that changed my life, my rhythm and my music forever.

dead kennedys. i have all these except DRI and suicidal tendencies, and they're all great but there's no match for DK really, they were one of a kind.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

half the bands listed arent even techically "hardcore"...even by early 80's standards. they were just bands that originated more or less as "punk", but became closely associated with hardcore.

and harcore...was a punk rock rebellion rebellion against the first wave of punk... ( dead boys, the ramones, voidoids, blondie etc) all signed to majors or broke up up completely (some even died)...and most of these fuckers were older than yr typical "hardcore" kid...even during their beggining stages.

hardcore was totally about the kids. they couldnt get signed to majors, nor did they want too...so what they do? they started their owm labels as well as zines...pressed their own albums...etc.

the first wave...the new york "punk rock" (a term coined for a zine by legs mcniel) was a bit selfish...it was raw...it was about individual problems (which werent ussualy even hailed as "problems") drugs, sex, prostitution...there was nothing political about it.

yes...hardcore brought up some of the same issues, but it was mostly from a youthful standpoint.

fuck...jello biafra was too old to be hardcore.

and suicidal tendencies...are you fukin serious. "all i wanted was a pepsi" fukin morons. shhhhhhhiiiiit, those dudes were all about some MTV.

not gonna see minor threat on mtv.

and fuck...

what about SOA, youth brigade, teen idles, negative approach, the stains....guess none of this stuff can be found in yr local mall record store bins.

I think you have a basic misunderstanding of what hardcore punk was at the time. Hardcore was a term used to describe bands who played generally short, fast, aggressive songs. It had nothing to do with attitude, politics, rebellion or anything else. The music just had to real move at a pace.

Hence, DK's only true hardcore record was IGWTI. Husker Du's only hardcore record was LSR, etc.

The Germs, Stains, Adolescents, SOA etc. were punk bands and not classified as hardcore at the time.

I could have added Gang Green but I don't know any of their records well enough.

And why no Bad Brains? I don't like them.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

matter of factly...not all...but alot of yr hardcore bands talked shit about the ramones, johnny thunders, etc.

to whre black flag noted them as an influence...as did the DK's.

What are you talking about? You keep missing out vowels.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

matter of factly...not all...but alot of yr hardcore bands talked shit about the ramones, johnny thunders, etc.

to whre black flag noted them as an influence...as did the DK's.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pookie again.

If any of the bands that talked shit about Thunders, Ramones, Stooges etc denied them as any influence, then THEY the ones needing to be checked.

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Originally Posted by swa(y)

matter of factly...not all...but alot of yr hardcore bands talked shit about the ramones, johnny thunders, etc.

Quotes and sources please.

The way I see it is, used to be if you wanted to piss off yr parents and blast them away you would put on Damged, or Minor Threat EP or The ROIR Sessions or IGWTI, you get what I'm at here. Well now all of that is commercially viable, its accepted as rock. Its mainstream music.

Granted the bands you named (youth brigade, teen idles, SOA,) aren't readily available at the mall, they are at best buy and if not, its because they didn't make as much of an impact musically. I'm not trashing their music I'm stating the reality of the situation.

I can't stand any of this music. I realise none of you care, but it just does not make the slightest bit of sense to me.

So I voted for Erasure.

Where's Sick of It All and the Gorilla Biscuits?

i need more black flag records i dont have money

I think Bad Brains is the best by far. To me nothing else comes close. The CBGB DVD is good, but there are also a lot of dossapointments as well, primarily the sound quality. The big plus are the new reggae tunes.

I can't take the poll, because I love several of those bands equally.