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porkmarras 12.28.2006 06:03 PM

Has America got a future?
 
Ask an american and they'll tell you.

!@#$%! 12.16.2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Ask an american and they'll tell you.


charles webster baer of oregon?

jon boy 12.16.2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
charles webster baer of oregon?


divvy, he is the world not some 3rd world american country.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.16.2009 08:38 PM

"The West shall Perish.."
 

Satan 12.16.2009 08:42 PM

 



ask this joker.

ni'k 12.16.2009 08:46 PM

american has been on a genocidal rampage since ww2, but has propagated the myth of 'peacetime' and tells us that without its existing power structure we'd all be under some evil totalitarianism. its capitalism keeps its subjects enslaved and addicted, soothing them with false promises of immortality and the world as infinite resource that they are entitled to plunder. its subjects pledge their allegiance with cynicism. its the worst of all possible worlds but we can at least draw hope from the fact that its days are numbered and it is edging nearer and nearer to defeat.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.16.2009 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
american has been on a genocidal rampage since ww2


ahem..

 

ni'k 12.16.2009 08:56 PM

i can't see that image. i'm assuming its indians or something? i should have said since before ww2, the way i put that sounded as if it wasn't at some point.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 12.16.2009 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
i can't see that image. i'm assuming its indians or something? i should have said since before ww2, the way i put that sounded as if it wasn't at some point.


honestly, when in history have the americans not contributed either directly or monetarily towards genocide, holocaust and mass murder? this is not even a criticism, it is just a pathetic and even horrifying reality of being an American and the legacy of history..

amerikangod 12.16.2009 09:06 PM

America is behaving like every other country with power ever has, with mostly subtle differences. Some of these differences are comparatively better, some are comparatively worse.

It's not an issue of heritage or culture, it's an issue of being human animals. Speaking of things in terms of country ('America does this,' 'America did that') is an oversimplification that ultimately misses the mark.

Humans will act how they will act. Putting them into different contexts from one another will make them react somewhat differently, but at all times humans react how humans will react. Trying to paint fundamental differences is beyond illogical, it's uninformed.

ni'k 12.16.2009 09:12 PM

yeah ultimately that's the way it is because we are humans? i don't think so. presupposing the human animal as a violent and self interested murderer is part of the problem and a sad justification of the status quo. i simply don't accept it. it's not a matter of 'human nature' whatever thats supposed to be. it's decisions and actions being made by people that are violent and wrong. there's nothing natural about the human and nothing that forces us to be intrinsically genocidal except our own choices

amerikangod 12.16.2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ni'k
presupposing the human animal as a violent and self interested murderer


This is what all animals are. This is what nature is.

And I never said that this was a justification or excuse, or even accepting of it. Sure, this might be the truth but that doesn't mean we can't overcome it. Or at least develop a system that makes if largely effortless to overcome. It's just a better starting point for understanding and fixing things.

phoenix 12.17.2009 01:15 AM

perhaps alaska.

wellcharge 12.17.2009 02:09 AM

i don't want it too but i'm guessing it has at least like another 500 years or something

Keeping It Simple 12.17.2009 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by phoenix
perhaps alaska.


It's still hard to believe that the US bought Alaska off Russia.

gmku 12.17.2009 08:29 AM


 


The Anti-Christ finally has taken over the country!

gmku 12.17.2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple
It's still hard to believe that the US bought Alaska off Russia.


I wonder if we could sell it back? Palin and all.

Keeping It Simple 12.17.2009 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I wonder if we could sell it back? Palin and all.


Not a bad idea. And maybe the US could sell back what they took off Mexico. Though selling back what they stole might not go down too well with the Mexicans.

gmku 12.17.2009 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple
Not a bad idea. And maybe the US could sell back what they took off Mexico. Though selling back what they stole might not go down too well with the Mexicans.


I wouldn't miss Texas. What a pit.

Keeping It Simple 12.17.2009 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I wouldn't miss Texas. What a pit.


The Yanks took it for the oil.

floatingslowly 12.17.2009 09:13 AM

keep yr filthy keystrokes offa mah Texass.

ps: the sun never sets.

Tokolosh 12.17.2009 09:55 AM

I wonder what state we'd be in if Iran where in power...

akprodr 12.17.2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I wonder if we could sell it back? Palin and all.


Ya think Exxon-Mobil and BP would be up for that? No, probably not.

chrome noise tape 12.17.2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokolosh
I wonder what state we'd be in if Iran where in power...


Iran will never be in power, who gonna believe in someone (Ahmadinejad ) who looks like a crazy homeless with a special fascination with nuclear energy?!?

 

Tokolosh 12.17.2009 10:21 AM

Imagine!

chicka 12.17.2009 10:31 AM

It kills me the way all the other nations rip us to shreds yet when they can't handle their problems they run to us for cash or might. We're so lousy yet
everybody seems to want to come here.

chicka 12.17.2009 10:32 AM

Yes we got a future cause if we don't then no one does

Tokolosh 12.17.2009 10:46 AM

Yes, it's quite daft to claim that America is the root of all evil.
Remember that we're all in this together.

gualbert 12.17.2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chicka
Yes we got a future cause if we don't then no one does

uhh?
The world needs America?

!@#$%! 12.17.2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by amerikangod
America is behaving like every other country with power ever has, with mostly subtle differences. Some of these differences are comparatively better, some are comparatively worse.

It's not an issue of heritage or culture, it's an issue of being human animals. Speaking of things in terms of country ('America does this,' 'America did that') is an oversimplification that ultimately misses the mark.

Humans will act how they will act. Putting them into different contexts from one another will make them react somewhat differently, but at all times humans react how humans will react. Trying to paint fundamental differences is beyond illogical, it's uninformed.


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Originally Posted by ni'k
yeah ultimately that's the way it is because we are humans? i don't think so. presupposing the human animal as a violent and self interested murderer is part of the problem and a sad justification of the status quo. i simply don't accept it. it's not a matter of 'human nature' whatever thats supposed to be. it's decisions and actions being made by people that are violent and wrong. there's nothing natural about the human and nothing that forces us to be intrinsically genocidal except our own choices


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tesla69 12.17.2009 10:56 AM

the kids feel good now.

New Jersey Police Stop High School Students on School Trip



NEW YORK (WCBS 880) -- Fallout from an incident involving New Jersey police and black and Hispanic students along the New Jersey turnpike has students asking for an apology.

WCBS reporter Paul Murnane says it happened back on November 21st, when Queens high school students were coming back from a trip to Washington and were stopped by police who were looking into a 911 report of a black male with a gun.

The kids say when they were pulled over on the highway, they were forced to march backwards from their bus, cuffed, and questioned.

The kids say they felt singled out; that the police response was excessive.

Christine Molnar President of "Safe Space" which organized the trip says the kids would like an apology. "They were scared, they feel angry and now they feel good. They feel that they have had a chance to talk about what it meant and who they are and have a chance to set the record straight," said Molnar.

A state police spokesman tells Channel 5, the incident was regrettable.
Copyright 2009 WCBS 880, All Rights Reserved.

demonrail666 12.17.2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chicka
Yes we got a future cause if we don't then no one does


the roman empire lasted more than a thousand years and the world didn't exactly come to end when it fell. The same with the British Empire, which lasted about 500 years. America has only been the dominant world power since the end of WWII, so I think the rest of the world will carry on quite nicely after it falls.

!@#$%! 12.17.2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
the roman empire lasted more than a thousand years and the world didn't exactly come to end when it fell. The same with the British Empire, which lasted about 500 years. America has only been the dominant world power since the end of WWII, so I think the rest of the world will carry on quite nicely after it falls.


flotterz has a theory about our future chinese overlords, but i think they might collapse under the weight of their own pollution before they march over europe or cross the pacific and all of our base are belong to them.

i say the united federation of planets is next, but the klingons are going to be a bitch to deal with.

demonrail666 12.17.2009 11:14 AM

I say keep an eye on Belgium. It's been awfully quiet of late. Suspiciously so.

floatingslowly 12.17.2009 11:16 AM

do not underestimate the willpower of a people that earn their living by farming imaginary gold.

there's no telling what someone like that is truly capable of.



PS: this is Admiral Ackbar to all America-loving Americans: this thread is a TRAP!

Tokolosh 12.17.2009 11:21 AM

tesla69:


 

Danish riot police push back protestors during a demonstration in Copenhagen, yesterday.
Just sayin'.

demonrail666 12.17.2009 11:22 AM

 


Trust me, we'll be living on a diet of these in ten years time.

!@#$%! 12.17.2009 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
 


Trust me, we'll be living on a diet of these in ten years time.


pastry tits? magical realism!

demonrail666 12.17.2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
magical realism!


Beware of Belgiam's very own answer to it, Rene Magritte:

 

gmku 12.17.2009 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by akprodr
Ya think Exxon-Mobil and BP would be up for that? No, probably not.


Why not? I'm sure the Russians would offer them a good deal. And let them get away with a lot more shit.


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