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Dude, fuck that. If you want to come out to some people go ahead. I agree with you on everything you said. I usually say that to some people who become my close friends. If they stop being my friends I do not care. Yeah, just do what you are comfortable doing. I hate these left-wing ideals, most of these people are not accepting.

I lived in a town like that for most of my highschool career. It wasn't until afterwards and everyone moved away that I found out that several of the people in my social group were gay or otherwise non-straight :p

I don't think that's any help, but I thought I'd share.

My best friend and I were used to being assumed to be gay, so I can confirm that being 'gay' in a small town in a rural area isn't necessarily the most highly thought of position to be in.

Being in the city, it's easier to find a group of friends who really don't care what yr sexuality is, but small towns are prob going to have more douchefucks who care too much about what other people will think if they have views that arent 'normal'.

Oh I see. Yeah, I hate it when people introduce me like that too. As if my opinions don't really matter, and are of comical relief. However, I don't deal with that often, since I live in L.A. the gayest city I can imagine.

I don't know if you have a gay section in your town, but I hate West Hollywood. It is filled with the most shallow egotistical idiots I ever seen.

You know, they say 10% of the world is gay. And it's 2008 -- I thought we were all past this issue. Hell, I live in a close minded meth town but everyone here doesn't give a fuck if you're gay. Which is a shock. A few people will give you stares and shit, but most people accept it. 10 fucking percent of the world!!!.... I think we're all a bit past that. Or, I was hoping we were all a bit past that. I hope the rest of the world can eventually get to that point I guess.

is r. kelly trapped in that closet w/ you? :)

Move to San Francisco. Nobody gives a flipping fuck here.

There's a pretty good punk/gay/anarcho "scene" of sorts still happening in Belfast, I believe. One of my mates lived there for 7 years in the 90's, and he managed to hook up with some decent types there.

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Originally Posted by ni'k

ive came out to myself but im not going to tell anyone else in this town. not a particularily safe thing to have known about you in a small town full of prejudiced fucks, altho im sure a lot of them know already.

but i reject the idea of "coming out" in a way because it feels like i have this obligation to go to my friends and say "there's something i have to tell you, i'm gay." and then they go "oh its ok we accept you for who you are" and then i go shopping with their girlfriends and get a minor role as a side character in a sit com. i mean fuck that, i hate this modern "tolerance" which is mostly just liberal patronising from fucks who like to feel so good about how they aren't prejudiced but will still call you a fag behind yr back and can't accept any form of homosexuality in the media because they've seen nothing but straight people in it their whole life and it threatens their semi christian worldview. a lot of these so called tolerant people who have no problem with gays can't accept you as a real person, yr their "gay friend", yr gay, you have to be introduced to everyone as gay to show you off as some sort of tolerance symbol cos they're so fucking great. and im sick of guys going on about fucking chicks and their pussys because i know i'm not allowed to make any sort of comment on male sexuality in their presence because they're not quite there yet.

being gay in this country is shit because i can't find anyone like me who isn't some overtly camp female idolising idiot and the gay bars sound worse than the fucking straight bars around here.

What you say is very true, and why would anyone have to come out when they feel like they're out anyway? Keep in mind, though, that what you might perceive as homophobia a lot of the time is simply ''What is homosexuality, anyway?''. Good luck and find a job, you lazy bum.

well, hey
congratulations either way!
it's good that you're honest with yourself

I would also like to add that you bring up many great points.
There shouldn't be this "obligation" to come out to your friends and family.
They should just accept you for who you are, straight or gay
It shouldn't even matter if they're your mates

be true to yrself. that is all that is required.

"Be true to yourself and you will never fall."