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Daycare Nation 06.05.2006 07:23 PM

Does "exist" exist?
 
Is "is"?

m^a(t)h 06.05.2006 07:24 PM

yes, no

Sheriff Rhys Chatham 06.05.2006 07:25 PM

is equals equal

Inhuman 06.05.2006 08:01 PM

Sonic Youth answers everything

schizophrenicroom 06.05.2006 08:09 PM

the yoof.

atari 2600 06.05.2006 08:33 PM

Existence precedes Essence. - Jean-Paul Sartre

It's not perfect, but it sure is a leg up over Rene Descartes' "I think, therefore, I am."

To sum up Sartre's Absurdist Existentialist position:
Facticity: We find ourselves existing in a world not of our own making & indifferent to our concerns. We are not the source of our existence, but find ourselves thrown into a world we don't control & didn't choose. All true philosophy & any real faith must begin with doubt.

Anxiety: We are faced with the lack of any external source of value & determination. We are faced with the responsibility of choosing our own nature & values, &, in doing so, we are faced with the awesome responsibility of ideally choosing values for all of humanity in our free choices.

Despair: In seeing the contrast between the world we're thrown into & which we cannot control & the possible potential absolute freedom we have to create ourselves, we must despair of any hope of external value or determination & restrict ourselves to what is under our own control. This goes back to Socrates' edict of self-knowledge as the first step to understanding anything.

qprogeny79 06.05.2006 08:36 PM

"existence exists" --a. rand (sorry, couldn't resist)

alyasa 06.05.2006 11:05 PM

"we must despair of any hope of external value or determination & restrict ourselves to what is under our own control."
I think that could be a summation of the principle of freedom.

Kallisti23chaos 06.05.2006 11:30 PM

form chaos came birth,from birth there was growth,when growth was achieved there was then gradual decay,the decay then ended in death.After death there were chaos ****


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