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SYRFox 11.26.2009 03:57 PM

Native English speakers: is the word "dull" considered colloquial?
 
I have to write a fairly informal review as an exercise for my english lessons. It's informal, but I don't think it should be colloquial. So is "dull" considered colloquial? And if it is, what words expressing the same idea are not considered so?

Keeping It Simple 11.26.2009 04:11 PM

"Boring" would be a better choice of word, in my opinion.

jon boy 11.26.2009 04:15 PM

stultifyingly misinformed is always good too.

SYRFox 11.26.2009 04:19 PM

hmm i've actually already used "boring" in the same sentence: the boring life of dull people. though it might induce an interesting repetition effect...

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Originally Posted by jon boy
stultifyingly misinformed is always good too.

:D

also, is the expression "pun intended" colloquial?

Glice 11.26.2009 04:22 PM

I wouldn't say it was colloquial; I'd say it was preferable over boring.'Dull' exists in the realm of metaphor - as in 'this knife is dull', extended to whatever your object is; 'boring' implies subjective dislike, which is far less 'proper' to formal writing.

It all depends on what you want to say and the context, of course - if you're looking for a shiny word, something like 'insipid', 'fatuous' or 'vapid' are in a similar field, but pack a bit more punch. As it is 'dull' is fine, I'd imagine - it does conjure the image of something which isn't even bad enough to merit a more deleterious word.

wellcharge 11.26.2009 04:22 PM

i don't think dull is colloquial, i think boring is actually closer to being colloquial

Glice 11.26.2009 04:23 PM

I wouldn't say 'pun intended' was colloquial - it is, however, massively hackneyed and seems patronising. Either the irony is apparent or it needs re-writing, there's no need to obviate bad writing.

Glice 11.26.2009 04:27 PM

I should also note that there are quite a few 'non-native English speakers' on this forum whose opinion on this matter would count for a lot more than the average 'native English speaker'.

SYRFox 11.26.2009 04:28 PM

Okay, thanks a lot! This helps me much :)

SYRFox 11.26.2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I should also note that there are quite a few 'non-native English speakers' on this forum whose opinion on this matter would count for a lot more than the average 'native English speaker'.

really? I was actually thinking in that case - it's not proper grammar, just the way a word is considered -, people using these words would probably help me more ... - especially since my teacher is English as well. I might be wrong, of course...

Keeping It Simple 11.26.2009 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
I should also note that there are quite a few 'non-native English speakers' on this forum whose opinion on this matter would count for a lot more than the average 'native English speaker'.


What if William Shakespeare replied?

Glice 11.26.2009 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SYRFox
really? I was actually thinking in that case - it's not proper grammar, just the way a word is considered -, people using these words would probably help me more ... - especially since my teacher is English as well. I might be wrong, of course...


That's a fair point - I was more getting at the fact that people like yourself have a better command of the language most people who post here. You're entirely right, of course, but I would say that if you're writing from the perspective of a Frenchman, it seems pretty pointless avoiding what you perceive to be colloquialisms because you just don't have access to that understanding of English.

Glice 11.26.2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Keeping It Simple
What if William Shakespeare replied?


To the best of my knowledge, William Shakespeare wasn't a fan of Sonic Youth. Some historians disagree on this point, but I tend to point to the fact that he's been very dead for hundreds of years.

SYRFox 11.26.2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
That's a fair point - I was more getting at the fact that people like yourself have a better command of the language most people who post here. You're entirely right, of course, but I would say that if you're writing from the perspective of a Frenchman, it seems pretty pointless avoiding what you perceive to be colloquialisms because you just don't have access to that understanding of English.

Actually, you're right; in that particular case, though, it was important - though you couldn't guess it -, as this course is a preparation for Cambridge's Certificate in Advanced English - which will be corrected by English people.

--

I think the reason why Non-native English speakers might use a better English than native speaker might be the fact that we tend to learn a "literary" English, rather than everyday's English. I believe the same constatation may be applied to virtually every language - I'm pretty sure someone who's studied French abroad would speak a better French than me, as there are loads of conjugations that slowly disappear, while some language deformations keep on appearing - but that's the way a language evolve, I guess . I'm not talking about the SMS language, which is clearly absurd (:p), though (and it looks really, really ugly in French - far worse than English)

SYRFox 11.26.2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
To the best of my knowledge, William Shakespeare wasn't a fan of Sonic Youth. Some historians disagree on this point, but I tend to point to the fact that he's been very dead for hundreds of years.

ahah!

wellcharge 11.26.2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SYRFox
Actually, you're right; in that particular case, though, it was important - though you couldn't guess it -, as this course is a preparation for Cambridge's Certificate in Advanced English - which will be corrected by English people.

--

I think the reason why Non-native English speakers might use a better English than native speaker might be the fact that we tend to learn a "literary" English, rather than everyday's English. I believe the same constatation may be applied to virtually every language - I'm pretty sure someone who's studied French abroad would speak a better French than me, as there are loads of conjugations that slowly disappear, while some language deformations keep on appearing - but that's the way a language evolve, I guess . I'm not talking about the SMS language, which is clearly absurd (:p), though (and it looks really, really ugly in French - far worse than English)


non, j'ai etudie le francais pour cinq ans en canada, c'est maaaaaaal

Glice 11.26.2009 05:49 PM

Le 'thread' ici sont est pour parle en Francais mal.

Tu entends, ma amis?

wellcharge 11.26.2009 05:53 PM

je pense, que c'est : entendez-vous mes amis

Glice 11.26.2009 06:09 PM

J'entendez belle, M. Esque il y a pas de probleme?

wellcharge 11.26.2009 06:14 PM

fiche le camps, tu es mechante

votre conjugation avoir les erreurs, c'est "j'entends" avec le "z" ces't comme "vous entendez"

je pense


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