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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I said what I said knox.
there are, indiputably, more males OBSESSEd with music, in all it's many guises and forms, than there are women. If you do not agree then maybe your experience is different.
By obsesssed I mean that all they talk about is music, all they do is argue music, who is good who is bad, which records suck, etc.
that is what it IS. it is not sexist. It is what it is.
Liek I mentioned, there are more women than men doing handicrafts, and most of the media for that hobby (magazines, websites, TV shows) are aimed at women. that is not sexist against men. It just reflects the way the world is today.
Now, the REASONS why more men than women get obsessive about music fandom (or any other kind of fandom) can be debated endlessly, and may very well be due to societal sexist restrictions, but it may also not be.
It may just be that many women think being that obsessive about a pasttime is stupid.
we cannot know for sure.
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Well, if you were me and you had the experiences I had trying to be in bands and be a musician and all you'd know FOR SURE the reasons why men are the majority. It's pure blatant sexism. It's pure societal sexist restrictions - like you said. I had to put up with a lot of shit while I watched many women not being able to do so.
You had no idea what a girl's parents and school and all that do to her when she says I want a guitar or I want to buy some drums. They will say why not the violin instead dear???? If you want a hobbie go horse riding. The teachers and counselors find your attachment to aggressive music worrying and not lady-like (they are worried that you might be a dyke). Hanging out with boys? dangerous.
Have you ever been to metal gigs? They will give flyers to everyone except the ladies. It must have been why I ended up with the anarchist punk people - they told me girls could do anything and encouraged it.
Try to be a 14 year old girl and discuss music with the boys - they won't let you in, it's like their ow replacement for sports or collecting cars or something and do not fucking commit the SIN of knowing more music than they do - it's too threatening and they'll shut you out.
If you don't take that well and continue to challenge them - they will call you a whore, a slut, they will say you're just into music because you're interested in the men who are, they simply do not appreciate women trying to get into their territory.
And just like what happened here - if you get drunk once, you're suddenly an alcoholic drunken bitch.
So, yeah most of my friends have been male because I've been into the music thing since always. But when they get drunk and angry - they're misunderstood genius. When a woman gets drunk and angry she's a slut. When they play something simple - they're being innovative. When a woman does - that's because she's unable to play an instrument properly etc.
But it's the same with most things - literature, art, business, science.
Music isn't a past time and I'm not obsessive. Perhaps you're trying to say women don't wanna focus on the most technical aspect of guitars and etc, and that hasn't been the tradition and it's usually not their approach - but a lot of men aren't interested in that either but end up being caught up.
There are women interested in posting here tho, so you can't ignore what I've been saying, what Sonic Gail is saying: there were women here (even if a minority) and they have been vanishing and there is a reason for that.