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Originally Posted by kinnikpasswordforgetter
None of that is evidence that he was planning a genocide, which is the original point you made.
Yes, the example of Mubarak only confirms his point, because now that Mubarak has gone a military dictatorship has taken his place.
It is doubtful to me if the Egyptian people would be strong enough to repel the brutal repression that would come there way should they try to self determine their future in contrary to US/NATO interests. However, this does not mean that this will be impossible in the future, particularly considering the potential for US military overstretch and defeat in the region. However it's possible an attempt to do this would result in them meeting a similar fate as Iraq. The US would not hesitate to bomb large numbers of civilian targets in order to keep down an uprising. This might be more difficult for them to do considering the popular support for the uprising around the world. It's likely they will continue to use propaganda to whip up fear about a Muslim Brotherhood uprising. I can only speculate as to what will happen.
I think the revolution is an encouraging sign from the perspective of the Egyptian people but I am unsure what it will lead to. If the revolutions across the middle east are a sign of a recognition amongst the masses that US/UK/NATO countries have been keeping them divided and fueding for a long time, and that a unified middle east could become a major superpower and threat to said forces, then they might finally be getting somewhere. However, grassroots power in the middle east would be heavily dependent on control of dwindling oil reserves which will at some point dry up completely. Also, climate change forecasts more bad weather, thus food shortages (which were the primary cause of the revolution) in the middle east. The question becomes what can rebelling populations do to address these problems?
A strong middle east would require the technology to deal with the coming food and water shortages that are likely to blight the region. They would also need technology that could ensure the continued functioning of modern technocratic states after the oil runs out. It's unlikely that much innovation in these areas will come from the middle east itself, since most of it is obviously not capable of this kind of research. China and the rest of the world are the likelier source of a solution for these problems.
But as I've said before, it's likely that Chinese/NATO interest in the middle east will be drastically reduced once the oil and plunderable resources have all been used up.
Noone has asked you to justify opinions, we have been querying the facts you assert. It's not clear what subjects you're asking me about here.
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As i recall you made statements about me first, granted that wasnt a direct accusation towards me, but i decided to take you up on it. Forgive me if im mixing you Tesla and Pookie up
I doubt that the US and Nato would clamp down on Egypt if they put in place a democratic regime. To be honest the momentum of the protests suggests that the Egyptians would know a new form of dictatorship if it tried to assert itself. Given the way that the West has supported the democratic impulse (weakly, admittedly) it would be impossible to clamp down on a reasonably representative system.
Anyway; What do you think of the Iranian regime, and what strategy should we adopt to deal with it?
What were your feelings when the "Arab spring" began, and what hopes/fears do you have for its future in Iran, Libya, Syria?
How much should we account for the Israeli governments opinion when discussing the "Arab Spring"
Ive tried to avoid these arguements on here recently as i dont hear much that challenges my opinions (though why should i expect to, i suppose) but its always good to keep the tools sharpened.