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Originally Posted by fugazifan
oh come on, really? you don't think that there are feminists that complain about how men dominate female areas of medicine. that is one of he reasons that there has been an increase in recent years of women who have become midwives and doulas, including abortion doulas. claiming that women have less interest in abortions because of a lack of female doctors is quite a flawed methodology.
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I didn't say dominating medicine, I said abortion doctors. There are plenty of women doctors, there is a noticeable shortage of women abortion doctors. Perhaps us men should think about that for a minute as we perform all those abortions on women.
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and yes it takes two to make a pregnancy, but that is assuming that there are equal power dynamics between men and women in any aspect of life and especially in heterosexual sex.
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Again, that is simple biology, not politics. It takes 1 sperm and 1 ovum to make a baby, period, end of sentence. So it is not JUST a women's issue, if we were talking about Pap Smears and cancer screenings that would be a women's issue, but children, that is inherently and biologically a man's issue as much as a woman. If men can be held accountable legally to the point of incarceration for NOT taking care of their biological children, how can we suddenly separate them from the equation in regards to abortion?
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that is very good that men have to support the child no matter what (i hope that this law does not apply to rapists...) however that does not make them equal partners in what is going on with the woman's body during her pregnancy, unless she decides so.
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Yes, it does, or at least it used too for that past 250,000 years of human existence until 1973
Think about this, if women are rallying independently about children's issues, does that encourage or discourage men to get involved in their children's lives?
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by saying so is not alienating them from the process, however by stating that they have equal say to what goes on with her body, because they had sex is just a rehash of the typical patriarchal trope of men having control over women's bodies (not that i amn saying that that is what you said).
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Brother, you can't have it both ways, we can't expect men to be legally, financially, and emotionally responsible for their children and then suddenly say, no wait, that is a patriarchy. If women wanted sole control of their bodies, they should have masturbated, when they inserted the dick, as we say in drug culture, "buy the ticket, take the ride." If we expect men to be responsible with the consequences of sticking their dicks places which can inherently bring children into this world, shouldn't we equally hold women accountable for having allowed the insertion (again I am not talking about rape, rape is NOT the majority of abortions in this country, that would be a hyperbole)
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and again here we are a bunch of men discussing what women should be doing with their bodies and what is best for them.
oh us....
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We are discussing children's issue too, and that is a matter of men and women.
Please understand that I am not saying we should entirely rid ourselves of abortion, that ship has long since sailed. Rather, I am talking about better regulating abortion, limiting its access to minors, and also perhaps the time. Should women be able to abort at 6 or 7 months? I was born just under 7 months premature and survived quite fine
PS.. I hope you didn't find my Holocaust comments too offensive, I meant them for those rightwing nutjobs like the Lekud party, not decent Israelis like yourself