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okay glice, but rob's wife makes twice the money he makes and he doesn't feel like his manhood is threatened or something. i get that there is a connection between male privilege and "the male gaze", but that doesn't mean rob is engaging in pay discrimination.

as for me, i am a rude internet asshole, but i'm proud that i helped elect a president whose first bill signed in office was the lilly ledbetter pay equity act. even if he hasn't closed guantanamo yet.

Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous

knox, what happened to the closure?

it's obvious she had no closure and was just frustrated, but i'll take blame for the added drama because i knowingly posted trollbait, trollface and all.

Originally Posted by the ikara cult

It is quite telling how none of you have replied to my point or Glice's point.

If youre so concerned with the "Ideas" being proffered and are SO not just arguing with Knox because she's a girl, why doesnt anyone want to argue the point with someone who also has a dick?

i'm not "not arguing with knox because she's a girl", i'm refusing to start from the assumption that rob is a rape enabler or that one must agree with her because she simply demands it.

if we could stop conflating both issues that would be awesome.

Originally Posted by Nefeli

i will read this thread when i have time for this. sorry.

i hope you don't because it's a dismal mess, and personally i'm ashamed of my participation in it-- not because i'm a rape apologist, but because i'm such a sucker for strife i take the bait every fucking time and accomplish nothing with it except, mostly, horrify people i appreciate.

in any case, would love to discuss these things with you-- you have my utmost respect and admiration and i trust you to be fair.

Originally Posted by Nefeli

if someone had the time:
take the hot girls vs hot men threads and find the % of porn looking pics in both. and how male and females have chosen the pics.

yes. i used to do that. honest. i admit it. i haven't in a while now.

Originally Posted by Glice

And I was thinking last night - have you noticed that there's two subjects which have got knox angry on this forum? Anything to do with feminism and gun control. That's because they're important, and they're both dealt with (by and large) in a fairly off-hand, dismissive way here.

lately i've been involved (elsewhere) in heavy discussions about gun control, due to the latest massacres, and the thing i've noticed is that pro-gun people tend to be more reasonable in their arguments than the anti-gun people (except when it comes to "the government wants my guns"). this worries me because the pro-gun folks are persuading me of their cause with clever slogans such as "remember, when seconds count the police are just minutes away." (hard to argue with that).

what i've observed gets knox angry isn't the subjects themselves, but that people dare say "no" to her. you say no to knox and that automatically makes you the worst kind of criminal in her eyes, if you say yes all is forgiven. who can argue anything in those terms? you can't ask people that they change their mind because you demand it.

IN ANY CASE, i hope the discussion can occur in peaceful terms because i think (maybe i dream) most of us can be friends here. of course when i say this i say it in full knowlege that it can be take out of context and interpreted in any number of inflammatory ways, but i'll say it anyway in earnest.