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Originally Posted by Glice

Oh, you're right - unitary exceptions do disprove generalised rules. My profound apologies.




I've glossed this thread - I'm not really interested in Rob, I'm interested in the way that knox has been constantly harangued on the basis of interrogating something that's vile on the basis of the subject matter - how many times have I called a band utter dogshit and not been hassled for 20+ pages? Every time, I'm guessing? There's something about this subject, on this forum and in general, which makes most cis-men (especially hetero ones) uncomfortable, defensive and incapable of being reasonable.



It really doesn't come across like that - it reads like you're hassling knox because she's a woman representing women's issues. Whether I agree with her (and whether she did start with the premise of 'Rob = rape enabler'), this thread is fucking ugly. Also, Rob's comments come in the context of several thousand posts - he's consistently been repulsively antagonistic with his sexism. He doesn't see himself as a sexist but he's incapable of keeping his desire to express his masculinity to a single 'post hot women' thread. I watch porn. So does knox, I imagine. Neither of us chose to talk about it constantly in public. We possibly might in a 'let's talk about porn' thread.

See also: knox's multiple points, especially the ones about how people are constantly bombarded with images of women. Rape culture doesn't exist in hermetic isolation. It's kind of like the sun - so big you end up forgetting it's there. If it's decided that Rob's actually a decent guy, there's still the issue of how this forum's dealing with knox, and why there are very few women here.



This is an impossible issue for me. To me, it isn't possible to have a reasonable discussion about guns. Outside of a few rural communities, they have the solitary purpose of putting life-threatening holes in humans. So yeah, reasonable argument is very difficult on the basis of the life threatening purpose of these so-called 'guns'. The anti-gun lobby probably appear 'hysterical' because it's a total no-brainer. But that's OT.

[An aside - my partner just said "vaginas are more regulated than gun control", which is fucking brilliant]



You're wrong. Knox and I have been talking for a number of years now. I couldn't tell you the number of things I think she's wrong on. I imagine she's got a good idea of the number of things I'm wrong on. We have healthy discussions because she's incredibly bright and articulate. I've said 'no' to her innumerable times, and she's never said anything like some of the things she's said in this thread because I don't cross the line into grotesque, masculinist bullshit... hopefully. And she'll pull me up if I do and I'll take it on board, rather than telling her to 'chill'.

alright. i read it, and i'll think it over. obviously our perspectives are different, but some sort of intersubjectivity should be possible even with all the transatlantic differences. thanks for the reply.

it's the middle of sunday here and i have to get in my 8-cylinder gas guzzler to buy lots of high-carbon-footprint meat in a massive wholesale warehouse off an interstate highway where everyone spends their weekend here. later i'm meeting with friends and engaging in socially-conformist alcoholism in a capitalist establishment. so i'll post you something back probably monday, if you care to return and read it.

speaking of women-- i'd love to hear from jennthebenn on the issues, because she's fantastic, no-bullshit, and enjoys spectator sports, besides the obvious fact that she's an awesome writer. i know she's taken a sabbatical off the internet to devote herself to real writing, but i do miss her a whole lot. only problem is, i know she hates it when people fight. (sorry jenn!)

okay. im out of here till tomorrow. i insist that rob is a decent guy, i insist that suchfriends is a great guy, and while i'm a recalcitrant and bellicose asshole, i know for a fact they aren't and don't deserve the spanish inquisition.

namaste, or whatever, lol. no, really.