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Originally Posted by dead_battery

So you're saying, if someone has you against a sidewalk (i dont know the american terms for these things) and is smacking your head off it - its not permissible to use a gun?

Yes, that is precisely and exactly what I am saying. Further, its not merely using the gun that is the crux of the issue, its the KILLING part that needs to be held accountable. Even if just manslaughter, even if it was just say it was an accidental death would have been understandable, but nothing at all? THAT is bullshit.

Simply put, America is afraid of young, black teenage males. The idea that Zimmerman was "defending" himself only fits into the stereotype of black men being inherently dangerous. If it were a lanky 6'1" white kid from buttfuck Iowa? NOBODY would believe Zimmerman was honestly defending himself

Originally Posted by dead_battery

It's reasonable to accept someone to understand that if you assault someone in a serious way its possible that they are going to react badly and hurt you back!

Is it reasonable to pick a fight you can't win so then you shoot your way out it?

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And why do you want to pretend that the BLACKNESS of Martin should be a thing here? There are white robbers creeping around neighbourhoods aswell.

YOU REALIZE THAT TRAYVON WASN'T A ROBBER RIGHT? YOU REALIZE HE WAS WALKING HOME RIGHT? YOU REALIZE THAT PEOPLE ONLY BELIEVE HE WAS A ROBBER BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK RIGHT? How is walking home creeping? I walk. I don't have a car. I'm never "creeping" around, but if I were black perhaps that is EXACTLY how you may describe it, funny (well not really) how that works isn't it.

So you're saying, if you got a call from your friend saying 'there's an escaped mental patient whose psychotic and violent and was last seen in your backyard'

AND WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DUDE WITH A BLACK TEENAGER?

But I strongly suspect that when you talk about structural racism what you are really saying is 'a lot of white people' whom you want to blame for their not being an equal or greater number of black people in these positions. And you don't want there to be ANY other reason for that other than white people oppressing them. It's too simplistic a narrative. It hasn't actually worked all that well, since the ghettos and poverty and lower rates of life expectancy are still there.

Nope. I am familiar with structural racism directly, its not some kind of liberal talking point, its not politics, its the reality of America. Its too complicated to explain to you here, and further, I really don't feel I need to. Again, you don't live here. You are analyzing complex socio-cultural and socio-political factors based on what you read in the news. If you live in America, work in America, or go to school in America you have witnessed or experienced structural racism. Its not about "equal representation" because that is a mathematical impossibility, its about equal treatment. In schools, courts, and jobs black and brown people are NOT treated equally, and sometimes not even respectfully, on a daily basis. You either see it obviously in front of your face, or you don't, but again, I DON'T TRUST ANYBODY who thinks otherwise, because their either stupid, bullshitting, or both