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Originally Posted by dead_battery

you already know that if he'd have gone to a legitimate news source they'd have shopped him to the government. also, wikileaks published those cables WITH legitimate news organizations like the nyt and the guardian, so your made up argument is utter shit.

Not necessarily, though really, that is EXACTLY what Assange did, because ASSANGE went to the media to promote those leaks shortly after Wiki published them

of course, him being a media whore or not is irrelevant, even though its the most pathetic right wing talking point which aims to character assassinate him and distract from the WORK he was involved in by changing the argument to an irrelevant one about his personality.

Dude, do you think I keep up with right-wing media to even know that? I'm just calling out Assange as I see it, having nothing to do with liberal or conservative analysis. The dude doesn't pass the smell test, he is a slime-ball.

i wont even go back to this irrelevant deliberate side track masquerading as a point.

Its not a side-track. Manning leaked his material directly to Assange, and Assange sold him out. How is this irrelevant or a side-track? Don't avoid the truth of the matter, which is as I initially criticized, these leaks weren't about justice or democracy, they were about PUBLICITY, PERIOD.

and the reasons he released the cables was hardly exploitative, it was to release footage showing US soldiers murdering innocents for fun, which noone wanted to see because it made them too uncomfortable, hence the endless discussion of assanges character, which gives everyone a convenient get out clause, because his soul wasn't pure. well fuck you. also manning didnt have lawyers at the time he leaked it, because he was stationed in iraq.

That is your interpretation of the narrative, but the subsequent chain of events doesn't necessarily support that theory. Especially the way Assange whored out the leaks. Again, where were the lawyers? The legal preparation? Assange should have arranged that, but he didn't, he only looked out for himself when he didn't get the fame and money he predicted. He thought the post-1999 WTO protest in Seattle hipsters would load up his PayPal account in the name of Che, and instead, everybody just got fucked when the hammer came down.

he did it ANONYMOUSLY as you well now you fucking retard. you aren't challenging the motives and intentions of these guys out of anything other than an aping of the narrative everyone settled on, which is to just bitch about their unpure souls in order to show how little you want to discuss what their leaks actually showed, which you'd all be a lot happier not having to see or admit you know were happening.

What the fuck are you rambling about? Easy with the straw man arguments, I didn't say any of the things you mentioned. Again, if those leaks were so anonymous why is Assange so well-known and how did Manning get arrested?

Further, what did these leaks change? Has there been any kind of policy shift? Shit, has public opinion even remotely moved? NO. So again, the shit was an epic fail, that will cost Manning his life, and for what, so Assange could attempt to be a hero? Manning should have went through the actual group Anonymous instead, might have actually worked out better..

what you really wanted to say was "hey, i dont want to hear this shit so its your fault you're getting persecuted so tough luck asshole."

I am saying its his own fault, but I am again challenging motives, and when his dad writes this letter quoting Martin Luther King and shit, I think, hmmmm.. Assange and Wikileaks don't fit into that kind of narrative, sorry, and again, I'm just speaking the real, and not sacrificing myself to the neo-Radical altar.

and others in this thread do their usual 'pretend the government is an omnipotent entity' schtick. "hey you cant PROVE they aren't right?" childish beyond measure, but very american.

Where is Manning? Oh right, getting tortured in some kind of government prison, not secretly but with full public knowledge.. Some pussy government