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Originally Posted by dead_battery

thats my point. there is none. or rather, what good is possible is never final.

the way i see it is like flowers. the more beautiful and healthy a flower is, the more enticing it is to infestations which will feed off it and destroy it.

you can make a good and just society to a certain extent. the nazis will shout you down until they can start a war, when its lost they'll retreat to their houses and become survivalists and dream of murdering you and stealing your shit once the state collapses.

if you aren't the most powerful country, the others are gonna invade/exploit you. you CAN go with good intentions and try for peace.

isn't that the story of america? escape the english empire, become the american empire. here's some hp lovecraft, just remember the rest of the world is like the tribespeople cuthulu eats and you'll feel better.

theres war and violence and abuse and suffering.

the good is tormenting because its possible, for a while and with certain conditions at least.

religion tried to make hetero man a mystical supernatural object of worship, since he's gonna exploit you you must be grateful. its one big truce pact with man himself.

intentionality is also supernatural. the will, the self etc. all that isn't real. fact. i wont be drawn into a "debate" about this, you can go find evidence of it or you can all be quiet. evidence of the part of the brain where we have magical pre causal access to reality before it happens.

we can all imagine a good society. fair distribution of resources, warmongers jailed. the existing warmongers and murderers locked up. instead i get my dole or work and pay my taxes so middle eastern people can be slaughtered. yay enjoyment. if i get upset about it i can just sneer or make funny gifs that turn it into a cartoon because theres no obligation to give a shit except for when you have to for the national interest/self image.

as a poor person i am basically just a machine to move coins around for this system to continue. i am destroyed and my body is harvested for addictions. i struggle not to be homeless.

its not fun.

noone wants to care anymore, because caring is just a way to dissapoint yourself. its a route to despair. so we are literally sneering at ourselves, trying to enjoy ourselves to death. its pretty sick. how can you resist?

i think its safe to say based on what neuroscience is finding out that what makes us feel good about ourselves is totally entwined with lifestyles that destroy others.

so even our own brains are immoral.

its worse than religion because in religion you can repent unless you are the devil.

IRL i think we're literally locked inside darwinian replicator machines that we can't stop.

give me enough money or carbs or whatever and i wont even feel bad about this shit anymore.

we cant even trust our own minds.

that is jampacked with info, i enjoy reading it, but i'm struggling to find a definition. the good = fair distribution of resources + no war or murder?

no, i'm not playing games here. i'm just trying to understand your morality so i can understand the nihilism that you speak about.