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my position is that both of you are projecting biases from your own perspectives, and they are what i've encountered over and over again.
i'd say that neither of you want to accept that my perspective could be what it is.
if i was pitching an argument where this little space of progress (and what i mean by that is technical progress which is a real thing (with no ULTIMATE teleology), was immune from the nihilism then you'd both maybe be right.
but this is not what i want to say at all.
i'm pretty happy with this basic position, and i want to work it out further. i understand that it is difficult, but this is due to specific cultural biases. it is possible to have the perspective i have with no theological or ultimate moral compensations. not easy, but possible, that's why its a worthwhile project.
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