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Old 07.18.2015, 03:51 PM   #39433
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Originally Posted by Keeping It Gimple
tabula rasa is wrong, so is hobbes.

that's right. i said i lean towards hobbes, but i also know very well we can be a lot more than just beasts at war. but still-- power and violence can't be willed away by reading nice books. they always come back. there's tyranny everywhere.

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we are starting to learn a lot with neuro-psychology about in group/out group dynamics and such. none of this has much to do with moving beyond capitalism or at least neo liberalism. i am not like paul mason in that article who is overly hyping middle class bicycle swappers but the fact is that the current system is dying on its ass.

well, sure. it can die in any direction though. some of them quite scary. we're never at a loss for inventing new horrors.

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i never put forward some peaceful utopia im just gesturing at techniques and programmes that can help the poor move outside of this current neo-liberal hell

ah, that--- yes. absolutely. solidarity has always helped the peasants. when the peasants get brainwashed into thinking that they're little kings in the making and they must only pursue their little individual dreams is when they get their throats sliced one at a time while the butchers laugh.

plus, add to that the fact that there are no longer peasants who believe in solidarity, and you're forced to stick to your little individual dreams because there is nowhere else to go. hobbes overdrive. dead end.

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don't wanna end this on a depressing note. BEYOND the dead end there are other things sprouting that can be good. but they're outside. which is why we all need to go there.

 
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