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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
for real though. who? Chance? T $cott? Pusha T? hahahahahha
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Jesus Christ man, I know I already talked smack all over your weird shit but good, but you can't be serious.
Honestly, Kanye's influence is not even restricted by genre! Have you even
heard the new Bob Iver album? One of the year's most praised record, but its biggest sonic statement — especially in comparison to his previous albums — is the happy, overt embrace of the Kanye-championed sound. And Justin Vernon is, like, THE indie figurehead of the modern era now that Arcade Fire is U2.
Seriously, I've never actually liked Bob Iver much... it's always been good enough melodically, but it's just been fucking sad panty music for 22 year-olds to wallow in after being dumped for the first time.... but
22 (a million) immediately grabbed by balls. Vernon has clearly taken a lesson from his work on Yeezus, MBDTF and Watch the Throne... hell, the first thought that enters ones mind at the start of "22 (Over S∞∞n)" is "KANYE."
And that's intentional. So blatant is the tribute that it could be nothing but. When you hear a sonic shout to Kanye before anything else on the world's favorite indie rock record of the year, how can you argue against Kanye's influence? Whether it's due to antagonistic trolling impulses or genuine obliviousness, it makes you look deaf and blind.
Also the most listened to "Bon Iver" song on Apple Music is ... "Monster" by Kanye West. Shut the fuck up about style 'fore I embarrass you!
I think your problem is that you associate the guy's music with his public image waaaay too much. So much that you can't hear that your precious Future and Travi$ Scott wouldn't have careers if it wasn't for Kanye. His production is pristine even when it's deliberately messy. Everything he does (musically) turns heads more than what he says on the radio or Who he married (Michael Jackson married Lisa Marie Presley, arguably the Kim Kardashian of her time).
What you said about "genius" being "obvious to everyone" is patently absurd — Van Gogh would take issue with that, as would all the other "geniuses" who had to not only DIE, but wait a few generations before their impact was acknowledged, but still I think you're arguing my case for me, as there's a pretty solid consensus among music experts and critics that the guy's at least
capable of creating works of genius (he won the Village Voice Paz & Jop Critics Poll four times in six years for fuck's sake).
Anyway, I love you Rob, but I think you're troll in this thread. Denying the influence of Illmatic and Kanye? You're either a troll or you're totally oblivious.