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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I am a hardcore punk from the way back. most of what I love is "rushed" and not "perfected" I find that too much production destroys the vibe. music is vibe first and foremost. How does it make you feel, and do you want to move your body. everything else is gravy.
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Rob, I swear it's like we're opposites. Like we have blue and red polar opposite brains.
I agree that it's how music makes you feel that's important. I've never been impressed with plain old technical prowess of any kind, unless it's warped and used to create something that sounds like a counter-reaction to the traditional.
But all the reasons you're giving for Kanye sucking and Future being awesome sound like pig Latin to me. Like, I'd list many of the exact same reasons to argue the absolute opposite point.
I put on Kanye, and I want to move my body. I do, actually, and it looks ridiculous and I love it. What his music does more than anything else is that it gets right to my gut, makes me feel something powerful, whether it's through the lyrics or the beat or the samples or some combination of these things.
Future's music, even when I like it, has no such effect on me, and it that's what makes it forgettable and ultimately disposable. I can see how it would work in a club. Or in a smoke filled car. But it that is it. It's not music I would put on to when I'm feeling happy, not music I would out on when I'm feeling sad, not music I'd put in when I'm angry. There's almost no feeling to it whatsoever, as far as I'm concerned.
There are no "back of he neck tingle" moments. None. Kanye LIVES on these moments. You can tell that's what he aims for. Music, samples, beats, lyrics that make a mark in your mind and etch themselves onto your soul.
Sounds kind of like you're comparing Future's monotonous music to punk. First of all, I don't see it. Monotone punk just serves to rile up. I had my time with hardcore too, trust me, but once I grew out of the anger-anger-anger phase, I started seeking out more. Went from Minor Threat to Fugazi, so to speak... and Sonic Youth, etc. When I wanted to hear pulse-pounding chaos, those bands could provide plenty of that, but they also were exploring entirely different dimensions of groove and different permutations of the super simple "angry/heavy" shit."Titanium Exposé" has all the markings of a frigid hardcore song until it spreads out into something more versatile and ultimately more timeless.
Also, Future's style has much less in common with punk than a lot of Kanye's stuff. If you're looking for bang-bang shit, the hip-hop equivalent of punk is
Yeezus. Not fucking Future. And why the hell aren't you gushing all over Kendrick's more aggressive tracks? If you want punk in hip-hop form, look no further than "The Blacker the Berry," or "U."
Future loves to talk about (but apparently not actually use) drugs that make you numb. His music has the same flavor. It has a numbness to it, which isn't an inherently bad thing, but you're sitting here talking about how the "feeling" is what's important, and Future's great because he gives you that, Kanye sucks because he doesn't. What the fuck man? It's like you're accidentally typing Future instead of some other name over and over again. ???