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Originally Posted by Savage Clone
I like a lot of women who rock, but they pretty much are all just women who want to rock and they don't make a big political statement out of it or make "identity" music. Seriously, "identity art" of any kind is such a lame copout for a lack of genuine creativity that words can't even really scratch the surface.
PJ Harvey
Bardo Pond
Windy and Carl
Boris
Major Stars
Overhang Party
...the list goes on and on. None of these bands are pushing their personal agendas through music, and they all have talented and strong women in their ranks.
I respect them because they are great artists, not because they "had the guts to play rough with the boys." That line is getting tiresome at this point.
I kind of dislike political and issue-oriented posturing in music most of the time anyway, so take my comments with a big old grain of salt if you like.
I just like it when people make music or art for the sheer fulfillment of making great art. Some of them are men and some of them are women.
Big deal.
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Thanks to all of you have started engaging in a more thoughtful discussion here...I don't mind if people disagree or argue as long as they check their prejudices and idiocies at the door....
For instance, this is a really interesting post, and in fact many of the girls in the movie agree with you. I personally think attention still needs to be paid to the imbalances--for instance, only 22% of musical performers on MTV are women (as opposed to booty-shaking dancers)--but I totally respect women like PJ Harvey and Chrissie Hynde who've said they want to be known as musicians first, women second. I don't think I ever said in my posts, or in the movie, or on our site, that we're only for political women. One of the songs on the soundtrack is by a death metal band called Arch Enemy that features a woman lead singer. You could hardly call her a political hippie songwriter or anything.
Our job as documentary filmmakers was to listen to what the girls were saying and put them on screen. Of the girls we focused on, only one wrote a song about being a woman and wanting to rock. The others just wanted to make music and have fun.
And ultimately, whatever political points we make about women in the movie just came from listening to what the girls and women were saying about what they struggle with. I'm really happy for the girl on here who said no-one has attitude about girls being in bands where she is, that's awesome! Unfortunately, that's not the case for every girl everywhere. Some of it's subtle, and some of the girls in our movie were just told flat out they weren't wanted cause they were girls. The fact is, most of the girls who come to the Camp feel like the woman here who went to Ladies Rock Camp, empowered and suddenly more confident about forming a band. That's just a fact. Some people need different things than others, and that's fine.