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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
dude, jimmy page is a horrible guitar player, you don't have to look further than led zeppelin's live recordings. mistakes and muffled notes galore!!! still, not being a technical proficient guitarist, he was still enormously influential and, for people like me, go over him and his mistakes than other, maybe "better" guitarists. not yo mention his work as a songwriter and engineer, he was more groundbreaking in those areas than his guitar playing.
that one is true, but then, what's a grunge band? is jane's addiction grunge?
ok, big misunderstanding caused by rock journalist and critics trying to make the white stripes more than they are. first of all, garage rock never died, big fucking myth!! in fact, the first time "garage rock" became popular is in the early 2000s, garage rock bands, from their beginnings in the 60's (which i might add, yes, they were a couple of bands who had hit singles but it wasn't like a scene or movement; persception-wise, they are little more than one hit wonders) until it's commercial peak a couple of years ago, have always been around playing that kind of music, all around the world. it hasn't hit commercially but that doesn't mean they didn't exist; so the white stripes didn't have anything to revive.
secondly, the white stripes were influenced and preceeded by such bands who played garage rock in the 90's like the new bomb turks, the oblivians and of course, the jon spencer blues explosion. among billions of others all around the world.
perhaps what people are confusing are facts and influence with recognition (too much recognition for overrated, too little for underrated) and i guess that's what's driving you crazy
i commented in here since you brought it and you were talking about facts. well, here are the facts.
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I'll make some badly referenced, half-assed reply, because I'm just too damn lazy to clean up the quotes.
We seem to agree that on some level, Jimmy Page made his contribution to music.
In that assertion, one's personal opinion of Zeppelin doesn't figure in. They either made an impact, or they didn't. It's undeniable that it's the former.
My point about Nirvana and The White Stripes is not how they are classified - while a number of bands may have preceded them in their respective "genres" (again, the term need not even apply here), each of them, in their music being digestable to the masses (not necessarily in a bad way), piqued the interest of the public in those respective "genres" and paved the way for the emergence of bands that may otherwise not have had a fighting chance. Again, it's irrelevant whether one likes their music or not, or whether they're grunge, rock, garage rock, post-punk, whatever. It's their cause-and-effect, a sequence of events, their roles as catalysts.
I don't like Johnny Cash one damn bit, but I know he isn't overrated.
I know I'm articulating myself in a half-assed way, but my point is, in some muddy, poorly communicated way, similar to yours - this isn't about personal, subjective opinion (I know that's redundant, shut up). This isn't about "Dude, the Beatles like, sucked man!" Maybe they DID suck (not that I think they did), but they effected change in the evolution of music. Simple as that, and whether we like it or not.
I think we are on the same page, we're just reading different translations. Or some kind of profound simile.