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to me the american hardcore movie stated it well talking about scene being as much about the crowd, the social envronment and the situation everyone was in as much as it is about about the band or music. find a copy of joe carducci's rock and the pop narcotic if you can.
there was a drunk fat yougish barefoot hippie girl at the meat puppets show - that just discovered slam dancing - so she was trying to start a mosh pit in the middle of all these 40 year old meat puppet (male) fans. kind of funny.
there was definialty a disconnect between her and where the crowd was at.
jazz and free jazz also are results of the social enviroment at the time - there are always spider webs in music that connect each other.
I can hear Coltrane circa 1967 LSD experiments in Nil's Cline's wilco solos.
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