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Originally Posted by XenakisMaster
Well the two albums i have are them..playing their music "NorthSuite" by Velvet Cacoon is brilliant....they did use some other artists stuff for some other demos...but it was choped screwed distorted beyond reason anyways...but who cares i think they liked the bit of suspect...everyone steals from everyone else, Beethoven stole from Mozart, Brahms stole from Bach, hell, Mozart Stole from Bach.. and admited it...
anyways Velvet Cacoon is a really great band, on Par with Sonic Youth with the same spirit as Sonic Youth...their seed is very cool and I like that they are actually doing some orginal music.
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Everyone steals from everyone else???
eh i don't know about that, most are influenced and borrow certain aspects in that sense... not necessarily steal which is a sensitive word in this case, granted its documented that Velvet Cacoon "stole" from other artists, that is much different than being influenced. I think that is a significant difference, Sonic Youth is influenced amongst many other things by Glenn Branca, Velvet Underground, and many in the NYC No-Wave movement (Mars, DNA...etc) they did not "steal" (though some may try to argue this) like what is accused of Velvet Cacoon, therefore in my mind they are not on "par" w/ Sonic Youth, but more ona level of such acts like Milli Vanilli.
from Wikipedia:
Further controversy surrounds this band in the form of plagiarism accusations. The song "Chesapeake Tide" is also credited to Miranda Lehman aka Korouva and appears on her album "Shipwrecks & Russian Roulette" under the name "Tide"; similarly, the song Velvet Cacoon calls "Candlelit Constellations" is credited to Korouva under the name "Wheat Fields", as well VC have also used photographs and drawings from the same source without permission. It seems that the "highly elusive" Velvet Cacoon demo "How the last day came and stayed then faded into simulated rain" was almost completely plagiarized from Korouva's "Shipwrecks & Russian Roulette", which has been sold through the website 16sparrows since February of 2005, before the release of the Velvet Cacoon Demo and were posted in her Livejournal, in working form, long before any Velvet Cacoon release. Korouva's album has 10 tracks, while VC's demo has 9, though two tracks that can be found in Korouva's Myspace are not in VC's demo. When Confronted with these accusations, Velvet Cacoon deleted their official Myspace music page which contained stolen tracks and artwork from Miranda.
Velvet Cacoon's "Dizzy from Eternity" demo is in fact My Violent Ego's "Clicks & Hisses".
Josh's message taken from their google e-group: "And on the subject of Velvet Cacoon, the band is a total fraud. Nothing about it holds any importance. The "How the Last Day" demo isn't even us. It's Miranda Lehman from Portland. (check the Wiki site). "Dizzy" isn't us. It's "My Violent Ego". Nothing is us. "Northsuite" was recorded in 3 hours and sold to a fake label who paid us enough for rent and substances. That's why its so terrible. We're utter bastards. We have no respect for anything. Now we're beginning the campaign to show just what we've done. We are walking examples of what far too many drugs will do. They make you crave havoc. They make you want to turn the world upside down while laughing like a maniac.
If the above is "true" (i have to question this because some of what is on Wikipedia is NOT legit) then this band Velvet Cacoon is LAME!
i'm sorry but i'm just sick of statements like listen to this band because "they are on par" with Sonic Youth or some other band with a history. what they hell does one band being on par with another really mean anyway? does it mean since we like SY we should like Velvet Cacoon? or is it that they sound like SY? or is it that they steal their music for their own or are heavily influenced? i hate statements like this without any other backup or descriptive elements to describe a band we need to listen to... very interesting coming from someone who is a supposed Professor.
I'm sorry but i'm calling you out here as a fake... maybe i'm wrong but you're whole line of posts is just too ridiculus and bogus for anyone with a mind.