[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Don't discount the default advantage the boomer-generation's counterculture had simply due to the ginormous size of their demographic.

you're right, but it's not just a matter of numbers-- it's that all those people had a different idea of the future. all throughout human history we've always had more young people than old people. geometric growth. steady-growth populations are a recent phenomenon.

during the 60's developed countries were effectively moving from industrial to post-industrial societies--a service economy, the information age, etc. etc. the factory age was over and these convulsions ended around maybe the reagan era? funny how we take the internet for granted. it cracks me up for example when i read "neuromancer" that william gibson had figured out cyberspace but not cellphones. what's my point here...? oh yes-- technology is no longer mass-produced for mass-consumption but mass-customized-- everyone can be a "nonconformist" by, say, buying apple, ha ha, or limited-issue vinyl records.

the transition to post-capitalism and post-industrial almost over, so societies are as not torn as in the 60's. you still see a bit of that struggle between red & blue states, because their different economies. just like the civil war was a struggle between agricultural & industrial modes of production. this is transition is certainly not over but the blues are going to win because you can't ever go back to "the good old days" whatever the fuck that was.

about the amish, someone asked-- they remain using outmoded means of production due to religious reasons. horse buggies, etc. they do trade w/ the economy in general but as insular cultural & economic entities.