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Originally Posted by RdTv
My application was towards the legions of kids/peolpe that talk a lot of talk about music and just say The Ramones were the best at what was going on then, when they don't know what really went on then. Honestly man, I mean what were the ramones listening to? You mean to tell me that The MC5 weren't a white urban rock n roll band?
I wasn't disputing whether Hilly Krystal had booked them and I wasn't trying to get into Wayne/Jayne County either.
My point is that yes they were influential to a lot if not most of the 80's american hardcore movement, but honestly The Heartbreakers were in England before the Ramones were and they receive little credit for influences, eventhough The Sex Pistols, The Clash, Billy Idol etc...saw them and immediately started to be mused.
The fact is that Danny Fields finally got what he wanted, a band that he could mold and turn into what he wanted and I think thats what he lost with The Stooges. I mean he wanted to have all the guys have the same last name and all, its good marketing, catchy and people could readily recognize it.
Im really swaying of course with this post and forgive me for it, all I was trying to say is that a lot of people NOWADAYS are very quick to drop the Ramones as the best, and maybe the really feel that and I am 100% cool with it, what I'm not cool with is kids or people just saying something is the best, without giving the other options a shot. If you've done that (like most here have and I wasn't applying my previous post towards you guys) and you truly believe The Ramones were it, than hell man, the were it and I love you for that.
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Well, the kids you are talking about are not really comparing the Ramones to the music of the original punk days. Most of them these days haven't even heard of Suicidal Tendencies, because
that's too old school for them! They are mostly only aware of whatever the Green Day/Blink 182 band of the week is, and they are also aware of the Ramones because a decade after the group finally fizzled out, they now get played on radio stations that never touched them in their heyday. So if those kids are saying the Ramones are "the best", thank god, because think what they are comparing them too!
As for the MC5 being white urban rock 'n roll, they were kind of the first step in that direction, but they specifically got called "white blues" because they really were dependant on those old blues riffs, and for that matter they covered Sun Ra, so they were pretty into the free jazz thing like the Stooges too. In fact both groups played with Funkadelic in Detroit, so there was some major racial crossover going on. Which is all a
good thing of course, but the point is, the Ramones really did create a solo-free and blues-progression free music that nobody had heard before. They claimed themselves it was because they weren't smart enough to figure out the harder stuff, but one can never tell how much of that was an act. It really doesn't matter though, they were completely original, and in a world filled with literally thousands of bands copying what they did, that gets pretty easy to forget.