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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
To be honest, poking fun being friend with Bush is just too easy of a target! Perhaps a little unfair, as their relationship is timid at best. However, its interesting to read some of the things that Lula has said about the United States that has basically gone unnoticed by most publications. I'm referencing the outstanding Foreign Affairs periodical for this, but Lula has been known to refer to America as an 'imperialistic empire', the usual spiel.
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well, i is an imperialistic empire, whether lula says so or not, im afraid. plus consider his socialist roots. did you know lula wanted to tax the arms trade to fight hunger? a brilliant idea which was of course ignored by the powers that be. another plus for me is that he appointed gilberto gil as minister of culture.
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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
You bring up a fascinating topic about power in Latin America being channeled through having a good relationship with the United States. Its important, without a doubt. But I don't think its nearly as important as it was in the past. Just look at Hugo Chaves, probably the best example of this. He's made every attempt to agitate and mock the United States. Almost weekly! In doing so, he has legitimized Venezuela on the world stage, and made more friends than enemies. Evo Morales is running Bolivia into the ground, but he experiences immense popularity through out Latin America, not just with his indigenous core anymore. Chile has icy relations at best with America, but has seen the most sustainable growth in all of Latin America, even without dialog with America.
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well chavez is a fucking jackass im afraid, and the only reason he can do it is because hate oil money-- which morales doesn't have. about chile, i dont know about "icy relations", i only need to look at the abundance of chilean grapes in the supermarket to know that all is well there.
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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
I think the United States has been burning its bridges with Latin America for the better part of the last twenty years, and its starting to show!
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well clinton neglected it a bit to engage other endeavors, but bush has really fucked it up. do you know however the colon powell was in peru on september 11? perhaps things would have gone differently if not for the criminally stupid response bush had to the attacks.
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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
Make sure you know, I am no friend of the IMF or World Bank!! I only think Kirschner should be held accountable for his part in Argentina's decline. Granted it's not nearly as bad as it was, which he deserves credit for. But when it was happening, he was left out of any discussion. Just like similar IMF induced debacles in Africa, corruption at the national level contributes to the IMF's notoriously failed policies.
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wow, wow, brother, we might be confusing our cast of characters here. shit fell apart in argentina under menem and de la rua, & still reeling under duhalde. if anything kirschner has pulled argentina successfully out of the financial hellhole where it was. lemme link ya:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argenti...281999-2002%29
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Originally Posted by Пятхъдесят Шест
I rarely get to have these discussions as well! Imagine me brining up Venezuela's flailed labor and land reform policies in South Omaha bar. Ah. Even the Venezuelan ex pats here could give a shit less.
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ha ha ha, i hear ya... our local dmv thinks that alaska is not part of the u.s.a....