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Originally Posted by davenotdead

im kinda riding the fence on this one...i agree partly with both....all i know is 'white' and 'brown/black' are such vague, sweeping generalizations....and that i have no idea what my great-grandfather did to other people in his lifetime...I do know that Fidel Castro took all of my great-grandparents land/plantations in Cuba when he took over...so when he dies, am I going to get an apology from the Cuban government? hell no...do I want one? not really (never even thought about it actually), but it would be pretty sweet to have my rightful land/inheritance...there are so many peoples/races who have been wronged, so many minorities that are 'unsung', that its almost comical to me how the 'large' minorites such as 'african americans' or 'native americans' seemingly get anything and everything they ask for...oh wait, because this is America, the same place they supposedly hate for being the racist trash heap that they call it so often...

you know, i'm not a communist, but latin american plantation owners don't exactly get my sympathy for their supposed travails. cuba before castro wasn't exactly a worker's paradise. cuba was a relatively rich country with a lot of poor people, and agricultural laborers were particularly miserable. to compare the loss of feudal power to enslavement is just plain ignorant and ridiculous. and if i may freely offend, for your stupid statement about 'native americans' getting "anything they ask for" as you put it, your feudal landlord great-grandparents probably had it coming. off with their fucking heads.

Originally Posted by swa(y)

of course hes listening.

and using someone of a different race to try and support yr argument, is pretty lame.

i dont know much about val, but i know some key points. most of the members of his band (actually, if im not mistaken all other than himself) are what? white. hes obviously not in a severe poverty situation..why? because hes on the freaking internet (1) his band at least has some amount of money...they just did a mini-tour of the south east (2) and freaking 3...hes obviously a pretty well educated guy. he certainly seems bright, probally brigher than myself, and sure as fuck seem to be able to control his emotion much better.

fuck it...you used em to support yr debate, ill play that card too. (keep in mind, im not racist...reall, im not. ive said "nigger", so what, most have)

what so fucking bad? i know that saying "one of the most fucked up situations any man will ever find himself in, is being born black in america". true? not in my opinion. can it hinder things a bit? sure....any more than a white person being bornb into poverty? hell no. maybe a bit/...maybe, depending in what part of the coutry ya live in.

but anyone...ANY FUCKING ONE...can pick up their shit, and move to another part of thr coutry where things are better. anyone can live behind a dumpster, take a bath in the mcdolads sink, work some shit fast food job...and save 350 buck and take the damned grayhoud anywhere they wanna go.

there are some fucked up ideas out there...yeah. i know racist...i klnopw black racist, i know white racist. i dont assocaite with em, but like val, being from the south im well aware that they are around. (lets keep in mind...too...pretty much every country in the fucking world are atleast going to have som racist...its in our nature as human being. naturally some of us have the inability to embrace things that are "different")

shit man...we damn sure didnt make the hispanics our slaves. and "racist" black people seem to hate them MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE than the fucking white peeps. SHIT, the white people are more prone to give the hispanics shit these days. do i agree with it? no! (i do think we need to close the doors to the U.S., but thats a whole other issue and has to do with the people that are already here, nothing at all to do with the people that keep pouring in).

shits fucked up man.....and from my expereince, apologies towards really fucked up situations tend to make things worse.

i cant even counth the times ive been asked, by black people...shit, not even "asked" FUCKING TOLD "hey gimmie fitty cent", and everytime, i say "i aint got it"...even if i really do. the typical response.."ahh bump you then" or something of the like...almost everytime.

i was in a gas station once. me and a friend (that actually happens to occasionally contribute to this message board) were at the counter, paying for some ciggies, whatever. i said something along the lines of "hey man, wanna go to burger king?" and this rude lack dude says "burger king, you white folks got money to be eating at burger king, my dad hit me last night". this dude was obviously a crackhead (there all of that shit town). im sorry, if you cant afford to eat at FUCKING BURGER KING, and ya cant figure out how to make 6 bux for a value meal...im sorry. my parents didnt have any serious money, we werent "poor", but we worked our asses off for anything we ever had. my mom never made over 20 grand a year...never...still hasnt. ive had two cars, ive bought both of em myself..i had too. ive never made over 9 bux an hour, and have never been ashamed to mow some lawns when need be. i did that shit since fucking fifth grade (havent dude it since probally tenth...less it was my own yard...because i was smart enough to take a minimum wage job back then...again...i had to if i wanted anything. that minimum wage job bought my first car).

i dont feel sorry for anyone. not in the fucking united states. maybe blind folks/disabled people. i feel sorry for black people from say, the early 80s back to right before the time of slavery). if yr living in america, and yr pissed about at me about some shit i, swa(y), and nothing to do with, then fuck you. rot in fucking hell.

and as for that dude at burger king...he was in atleast...at fuckin least...in his late 30s. if all he can bitch about is his dad hitting em, and white folks affording to eat at some fast food joint, perhaps i should send em the receipt from the last time i ate at johnny careno's or some shit. hed prolly kill himself.

oh well.


people tryna fix everyone elses fucking problems...fix yr own fucking problems. take care of yrself...then talk shit.

would someone please be kind enough to translate for me? thank you.