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Old 05.17.2006, 08:57 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by alyasa
Which brings us to another interesting question, spirituality. Spiritually speaking, regarding life, we don't have much to show for it. Except that which we can perceive. If, hypothetically, we are all in the afterlife, then our perception makes it real. We exist even if we don't. We believe it, so the power of our belief makes it real, even if, hypothetically, we ARE all already dead. A person on death row still believes in his own existence, his solidness, his reality; right until the moment he is strapped to a table, or to an electric chair. Then his perception is, for a moment, changed. He loses his belief and when he does that, his existence is questioned. "Is this happening to me? Is this real? Why?" But until that moment, he will keep on believing in his own existence, because it is his own perceptions, his own mind that defines what he is, where he is in relation to the other points in his life. His memories are real to him, they define him, they tell him what he is. Most people will not question their reality, their existence, because, that is the only thing they have, the only thing that puts them into forward motion and propels them through life, the belief in their own validity. I guess the question is, if you take that away, what else is left? The soul? Is the soul the spiritual evidence of our existence? Maybe, but first we have to figure out, what is our soul? Is it the thing that is left behind when we are completely devoid of everything extranous and external? When all our perceptions and opinons; everything we have been taught, been conditioned to believe in has been burned away? Or is there nothing, if that is taken away? If so, then maybe there is an unanswered question of whether or not we actually exist. If we feel nothing, become nothing; without our social conditioning, when we are alone with ourselves and we are nothing, then maybe we are just automatons, or even a figment of someone's imagination.

Well said.

On a tangent to this -

It's too early to get overly academic about this, but in my humble and uneducated opinion, 'cogito ergo sum' is nothing more than an intellectualization for its own sake.

There is, unarguably, nothing that 'exists' outside human definition. And so, insofar as existence is based on autonomy, there cannot be absolutes. There isn't anything that can be taken outside the context of human experience or imposed definition. (I realize I'm using ambiguous terms like "nothing" and "anything," but for the purposes of argument, they are appropriate.) Without the ability to remove the handicaps of imposed perception, one simply cannot isolate definitives. In short, nothing is "real."

This is why I avoid philosophy, and watch cartoons.

*Edit: And during my typing of this nonsense, you've gone and changed the subject. Assholes.
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