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Originally Posted by !@#$%!
the concept of time is a human one, but it attempts to fit the changes that we perceive in the world. we have *several* concepts of time in operation, newtonian time being the predominant one. sure the concept only exists in the mind but something else happens "out there" that is pretty consistent, & when the appropriate concept is applied to our relation with "it" it makes engine tune-ups, mars landings & movie times possible.
in any case the mind is also "out there". we are not the ghosts in the machines, we ARE the machines (or to quote devo, "we are the robots". ha.)
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You're ignoring the simple logic of the argument.
The ONLY understanding we have of any concept in the universe is through human perception and digestion. While one might maintain that gravity, planetary rotation, evolution, whatever the fuck you want to throw in the pot, occurs independent of human behavior or participation, they are as events only understood by the human definitions used to communicate their existence. Without human perception, our means of observing these phenomena, we would have NO WAY of knowing they exist. While you can reasonably infer that a light you've turned on stays lit when you leave the room, there is no way to be entirely certain of this.
I'm dumbing this down because, really, it seems like a relatively simple concept to me. Humans are arrogant fuckwads who assume that the rules of rationality they put in place govern all and create absolutes. These rules and concepts are infallible insofar as we wish them to be. They are, at best, a desperate attempt to maintain a tenuous hold on stability and logic that enables them to function as sentient beings.
The concept of reality is, in essence, mankind's secular faith in the unseen, a religion of logic. It can be just as easily deconstructed as any god, and is by far more dangerous.