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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
I have no idea of what you're trying to say there, sorry. I think that you also pretty much forget that The Velvet Underground certainly didn't come from avant noise at all. Unless, of course, this is the proverbial dilemma that crops up on this forum when a certain degree of ear-sharpness is required to tell what noise is.
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avant garde and noise is not a new phenomenon, and know the velvets didnt come from avant noise, but they sure as hell used it, (heroin, sister ray, etc..), and nihilist spasm band, the worlds first real noise band came out in the 1960s. cage and philip class and morricone and reich are all avant garde, so i dont know what youre trying to say or prove, sorry. all this over agreeing with you that pil is awesome and noisy at times, fuck.