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Originally Posted by Glice

I hope this is the pejorative 'you'. This is the problem I have with a lot of what you might call 'philosophico-science', that it rather gleefully and smugly pronounces things that a decent sceptic could've forseen several thousand years ago.

yes it's true-- but look at this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/opinion/13brooks.html

that man you see is an utter twat. but still-- the implications of the science are ready to kill the soul--socially that is. oh yeah. i couldn't be happier myself. why people need scientific proof of the obvious i don't know, but there!