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Originally Posted by khchris(original)
There's nothing wrong with efx as long as you have a reason/meaning to use them. Using them just to "fill in sound" means that you've ran out of ideas. SY have done an excellent job of knowing when to use efx and what efx to use. They don't just use efx just to "layer" sounds arbitrarily.
Do I play undistorted guitar? Sure. Do I play distorted guitar? Sure. I don't limit myself to using "just" distorted guitar. Maybe you do, good luck with that. As far as my music, well I really don't know what my guitar style sounds like. If I don't have an accurate description of what my guitar sounds like, that's much better than lying about what my music sounds like. I'd rather not lie to people. I've only associated SY as being really 1 label and it's a label that majority labeled them when I first discovered them for myself: post-punk. Pretty broad, but pretty accurate. What is "post brat-core" anyways? Never heard of it.
I don't know if you know this, but anyone who honestly goes around labeling themselves as a "musician" unless they are really working as a trade as a musician and making a career out of it, it's usually a term dropped by people who want to try to impress naive people who don't know any better. I know people in many bands from Pinback, Three Mile Pilot, The Plot to Blow Up the Eiffel Tower, Mae-shi, and many other bands and not once have I ever heard any of them label themselves as "musician". Rob is just a guy who writes songs and loves to make songs that happens to be in Pinback. You would never in a million years hear him say, "my name is Rob and I'm a musician".
From my experiences, the best bands do not need to "lead" people on to believe that they "sound like My Bloody Valentine". They really don't use other bands to describe their music at all. They leave that for the fans to discuss. The difference between you being a DJ and informing listeners of bands that may be close comparisons and you making those "close comparisons" is that as a DJ, you are the "listener" and fan.
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KHChris is obviously on crack. With the exception of overdrive, every effect other than that is on for the whole song to color the tone of the guitar for the song. Either KHChris can't read or he doesn't know what overdrive is, because I mentioned that I turn it on and off, but he insists that I might only play with distorted guitars.
Maybe I'm trying to lead the punk kids who come to my shows and don't really know anything about post-punk, post-hardcore, shoegaze, and gothic rock into some good bands. Personally when I first get into a band, I look them up on allmusic or wikipedia. If it isn't immediately apparent to me where everything came from, and I can see what other bands have influenced them. Smalltime bands with myspace profiles don't really have wikipedia entries and allmusic entries. So I took a step back and thought about what bands it sort of sounded like, based off of all the 20+ spectral presence songs I have written and asked myself which influences were coming through and how. Also, people will ask me what my band sounds like. I got sort of tired of explaining to my friends what it sounds like, because a lot of people just don't get what I'm talking about.
You must thing Gang of Four is a terrible band then:
"I don't think they were particularly an influence. We were aware of all of that when we starting writing stuff. That first Television album was great and so was the first Talking Heads record. There's a shared interest in avoiding the rock-guitar cliché for sure. If you think of the first crop of punk stuff, it was all just tedious guitars cranked up through Marshalls. In the wake of the Damned and the Sex Pistols, it was heavy metal but faster and not as well played. Certainly Gang of Four, Television and Talking Heads weren't interested in going down that road at all. So there was a kind of sparseness about the guitar stuff, it was more staccato with space around it." - Andy Gill
My god, they compared themselves to Television and the Talking Heads! And they don't sound anything like those 2 bands! Liars!